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Thread: Stingray 5 Alnico vs Ceramic Pup Pole pieces

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    Exactly my impressions, Jack.

    basscake
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    As the present owner of Heinz, I have to say that "polite" isn't a word that comes to mind. And yeah, I do have a SR5 with alnico, even if it is a bit different.

    Both my SR5's are great, as are my Bongos, and I don't think I could pick one favourite if you tried to force me.
    bovinehost: Yes, I do agree with that, but if there's nothing wrong then there's nothing wrong.
    Beth: I would compare Bongo to Tommy Lee Jones. Bad a$$ and just hot in a weird way...
    cheezewiz: They should take their lace thongs off and play bass.

    HEINZ

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    I certainly wasn't trying to argue whether alnico or ceramic magnets were better, just trying to help answer the original question, about getting a tone closer to a SR4.

    I said the ceramic was more polite, not polite. The difference certainly isn't chalk and cheese, but there's no question that they sound different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksolid View Post
    Hi all,

    Lurked around here for a while but this is my 1st post.

    For many years I owned a 1991 SR4 Black Maple which I loved. It got stolen, I had it replaced thru insurance with an SR5 Ash Maple with ceramic Pole pieces. Eventually I got my SR4 back when it was recovered and I sold it to a friend of mine as I had my SR5.

    Fast forward 3 years and I have borrowed back my SR4 and am in love with the tone - especially the meatiness when playing Slap/ Pop.

    I have restrung my SR5 with Slinky's so it is the same as my SR4 but it still doesn't sound as good. I assume the main difference (besides the Ash body vs Alder) on these 2 basses is the Pickups.

    I know the SR5 is now coming out with Alnico again since the release of the Sterling, but I have rung numerous shops to get an SR5 Alnico Pup but I am told Musicman will not supply them.

    I am considering the Seymour Duncan Alnico replacement, but I am looking for advice here as to how you all think I should try and mimic the tone of my old SR4.

    Help!!!

    Cheers

    Steve
    Hey Steve,
    Been down that road a million times and even though Duncan Makes incredible stuff I'd leave your bass Stock, Here's why. The duncan Alnico will not sound right with the stock Music Man Preamp, the Preamp is designed for a Ceramic Pickup, If you change the preamp you'll loose that wonderful Music Man tone.
    Music Man made a anniversary Stingray 5 with Alnico, I'd find one of those, I tried one and it was amazing.
    Good Luck,
    Stay with 100% music Man for it's all tone.
    DJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by aphekgreg View Post
    I certainly wasn't trying to argue whether alnico or ceramic magnets were better, just trying to help answer the original question, about getting a tone closer to a SR4.

    I said the ceramic was more polite, not polite. The difference certainly isn't chalk and cheese, but there's no question that they sound different.
    I don't think there's a ""BETTER"" tone or sound from Either, it's what your ears like.
    Ceramic Sounds Killer in the right bass as does Neo and Alnico, it's all Taste and what the players looking for.

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    An Update

    Wow! i don't visit my own post for 6 months and 2.5 pages of feistiness have been added!! I ended up finding a 94 SR4 and added it to my arsenal! It was terribly set up when I got it (I purchased it off a forum and it was shipped from USA to Oz) but now it is a killer. The SR4 and my P bass became my go to basses for my covers gig.

    It was great to have both my SR4 (Alnico) and SR5 (Ceramic) side by side to compare and appreciate. Both truly amazing basses to play. For me - the SR4 will always be (along with a P bass) the ultimate rock bass. The way it can cut thru massive guitars on stage without being massively loud is truly amazing.

    One thing I have realised over the last few months is that the biggest contributing factor to making my SR5 sound meatier when slapping and popping is where the volume of the horn is set on my Eden cabs. For the SR4 it needs to be higher to bring out the highs, where as with the SR5 needs it to be rolled off as the SR5 seems to have the glassier highs that the SR4 doesn't.

    I just wanted to come back and give you all an update on where I ended up after asked what now seems to have been a rather contentious question!

    In looking back - in 97 I borrowed a Ash Maple SR4 for a CD launch I did as a spare for my 91 SR4 I had back then. I used that Ash SR4 for the whole gig and almost cried when I had to return it! Maybe that it my ultimate SR tone for me!

    It's good to be back....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksolid View Post
    Wow! i don't visit my own post for 6 months and 2.5 pages of feistiness have been added!! I ended up finding a 94 SR4 and added it to my arsenal! The SR4 and my P bass became my go to basses for my covers gig.

    In looking back - in 97 I borrowed a Ash Maple SR4 for a CD launch I did as a spare for my 91 SR4 I had back then. I used that Ash SR4 for the whole gig and almost cried when I had to return it! Maybe that it my ultimate SR tone for me!

    It's good to be back....
    Congrats, now we just need some pics of your new Stingray.
    Stingray HH 5 natural maple DOB 05-02-06
    Mark Bass LM II

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    I too think that you can't attest about anything you haven't heard for yourself and even if you did your opinion means basically nothing to the next guy who has his own perception of the ever elusive "good tone".

    but, after some twiddling with aftermarket electronics and pickups with other bass brands I came to the conclusion that sometimes you should get what you need instead of trying to transform what you got into something else.
    I find this hold especially true with EBMM's instruments as I feel the hardware and electronics are of quality which is on par or surpasses everything the aftermarket industry has to offer (as opposed to other mass production brands which skimp on certain departments leaving you with an instrument which is not of a uniform quality level).

    another thing to consider is that the basses in the EBMM product line in particular seem to be designed to achieve a certain tone and vibe so parting out the package EBMM has put together is most probably not going to make one bass sound like the other more than less like itself.
    this seems even more rational when you see EBMM has decided to source pickups from well known quality aftermarket makers for their guitars which means where they felt an off the wall product already fit the bill they didn't just make their own pickups.
    Last edited by Elad_E; 02-15-2010 at 05:02 PM.

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    Series or parallel.....

    Hi friends!

    Sorry if i`m repetitive, but I've searched at the forum and doesn`t find my answer.

    I have read a lot of different informations about how the PUs are wired at StingRay5s HH at position 1.
    Some say series at Alnicos and parallel at Ceramics, anybody here has the real information?
    Are them wired different at SR4s and SR5s?

    The site only provides information about the current models.

    Thanks a lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrancoRJ View Post
    Hi friends!

    Sorry if i`m repetitive, but I've searched at the forum and doesn`t find my answer.

    I have read a lot of different informations about how the PUs are wired at StingRay5s HH at position 1.
    Some say series at Alnicos and parallel at Ceramics, anybody here has the real information?
    Are them wired different at SR4s and SR5s?

    The site only provides information about the current models.

    Thanks a lot!
    StingRay 5 HS/HH from 2005-2008 with ceramic pickups are series.
    With the change to Alnico in 2008 they switched to the "StingRay = "always parallel" system".

    Bob Birch-Music Man Endorsee
    Stingray 5 HS and HH pickup wiring
    Last edited by Bert; 10-09-2017 at 01:46 AM.
    1979 StingRay natural maple

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    Great to see a zombie thread get revived! I have a ceramic loaded SR5 and 2 Alnico equipped ones. All three have their own personalities but are definitely not that drastically different from each other. I honestly can't choose one over the others tone wise but feel that the alnico equipped ones are a bit closer in tone to my SR4's. I have a Sterling 4 as well and it sounds very close to the ceramic SR5 which stands to reason as it also has a ceramic pup. My Bongo 5H is different again but equally as pleasing.

    different flavours of "win" is what comes to mind when describing the pickups.
    1. Trans Gold SR5, (Alnico)
    2. Trans Orange SR5, (Ceramic)
    3. Black Cherry Burst SR4.
    4. True Gold Bongo 5 H with Torte
    5. Trans Red Sterling 4 Fretless
    6. Blue Dawn LE SR4
    7. Black and Maple Silouette Special

    All Lefty

    - Dwelling on the banks of the deep end.

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    I have a 2007 Stingray 5HS and a 2012 5H, so I've got experience with both. The 5H however does have series mode, which is one of the three positions on the blade switch.

    Honestly, it's not that much of a difference from parallel. I think you get a lot more difference from the switch from Ceramic bar magnet with steel pole pieces to alnico magnet pole pieces. The sound really is different.
    2007 Stingray 5 HS Cherry Burst / Maple fretboard / 3 Band EQ / Ceramic Pickups
    2012 Stingray 5 H Pearl Blue / Rosewood Fretboard/ 3 Band EQ/ AlNiCo Pickup
    2012 Steve Morse Signature Morse Blueburst / Rosewood FB

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