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  1. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by danny-79 View Post
    Feeler gauges in my experience are not the best for measuring sting heights as the string moves.
    But as mentioned. Fret the string and either end (1st and 13th) then play the string in the middle. If it rings with no buzz. Job done.
    By eye as you say a business card is about right
    How am I to play in the middle of the string while fretting the 1st and 13th fret? The string is completely muted.

    If the business card amount of relief is about right, can you tell me why all the notes are buzzing so much? Appreciate the help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by N4860 View Post
    How am I to play in the middle of the string while fretting the 1st and 13th fret? The string is completely muted.

    If the business card amount of relief is about right, can you tell me why all the notes are buzzing so much? Appreciate the help!
    You play the string between the 1st and 12th frets. It's got two metal end points, so it should ring a bit. If it doesn't, it's fretting out and the neck is straight or in back bow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonesullivan View Post
    You play the string between the 1st and 12th frets. It's got two metal end points, so it should ring a bit. If it doesn't, it's fretting out and the neck is straight or in back bow.
    Exactly that

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonesullivan View Post
    You play the string between the 1st and 12th frets. It's got two metal end points, so it should ring a bit. If it doesn't, it's fretting out and the neck is straight or in back bow.
    Quote Originally Posted by danny-79 View Post
    Exactly that
    OK thanks guys, I think I got. Danny, I thought you meant to have the 1st and 13th fretted, and then play a fretted 5th fret which was why it didn't work well. I didn't realize you had meant to just pluck the string in the middle by the 5th fret.

    So I did that and I didn't get any buzzing on any of the 4 strings so that's good, right? But I do still get buzzing when playing regular notes on the E and A string (the A string isn't as bad though and is only really bad near the 7th fret). Any other ideas what I should look for? Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by N4860 View Post
    but the trussrod seems pretty loose already.
    Could be the loose trussrod that vibrates at a specific frequence. Tighten the rod a bit and try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Could be the loose trussrod that vibrates at a specific frequence. Tighten the rod a bit and try again.
    It's definitely not the trussrod vibrating. It is a very loud rattling of the strings on the adjacent frets and is experienced all over the fretboard so I can't see it just being a rod vibrating with specific frequencies.
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  7. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4860 View Post
    ... when holding down the 1st and 13th? I would say mine is currently a little more than a business card. I tried with my feeler gauge and it shows about .016 of a gap at the 5th fret.
    You got a gap of .016 at the 5th fret (that is a relief, which would be fine), but the 7th fret still rattles. So what is the gap at 7th fret (holding down 1st/13th?) is the gap less than .016 - it looks like one or two high frets, which can be slithly filed down.

    If you look down the neck is it in backbow? Loose the trussrod counter clockwise and put some new strings on with higher tension.
    If you look down the neck is it straight as an arrow (or a little relief) and some frets stick out. A fret levelling is needed.
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  8. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    You got a gap of .016 at the 5th fret (that is a relief, which would be fine), but the 7th fret still rattles. So what is the gap at 7th fret (holding down 1st/13th?) is the gap less than .016 - it looks like one or two high frets, which can be slithly filed down.

    If you look down the neck is it in backbow? Loose the trussrod counter clockwise and put some new strings on with higher tension.
    If you look down the neck is it straight as an arrow (or a little relief) and some frets stick out. A fret levelling is needed.
    Thanks for the response, Bert! I'm not at home right now to check the relief at the 7th fret but I will do so when I get home and compare it to the other frets.

    When I have looked down the neck, it does not look like backbow. It has a slight amount of relief but seems closer to straight. When I try to loosen the rod, it feels like it is already as loose as it gets. I could move the wheel with my finger if I wanted to. I could look for strings with higher tension but that is not ideal as I like the strings and gauge that I have on there which are the stock strings. I'll let you know how the 7th fret looks when I get home though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    You got a gap of .016 at the 5th fret (that is a relief, which would be fine), but the 7th fret still rattles. So what is the gap at 7th fret (holding down 1st/13th?) is the gap less than .016 - it looks like one or two high frets, which can be slithly filed down.

    If you look down the neck is it in backbow? Loose the trussrod counter clockwise and put some new strings on with higher tension.
    If you look down the neck is it straight as an arrow (or a little relief) and some frets stick out. A fret levelling is needed.
    So its .016 at the fifth fret, and appears to be a bit less at the 7th which makes sense right since it get lessened as i go closer to the note that is being fretted. I received some advice from customer service today so I am going to try what they said and see if that helps.
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    Great! Please share the result and solution.
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  11. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Great! Please share the result and solution.
    Well the result was not great, unfortunately. Still the same issues as before. The solution the CS gave me was as follows: with the trussrod wheel loose enough to move with my fingers (as it already was), try putting pressure on the middle of the neck to give it the relief it needs with the warning that i may hear a pop or a cracking sound. Then I was to tighten the trussrod bolt back to where it starts having resistance and then to see if that helps. So I did that and I didn't hear any sounds nor did I notice any additional relief added to the neck. Stills sounds the same and the neck looks the same when I eyeball it for the amount of relief. It appears quite straight but with tons of fretbuzz. This must be uneven frets right? I'm going to have to take it to a tech for a closer inspection again. CS told me they don't have any authorized techs without sending it back to California and I feel like that will end up costing me a great deal of money after putting down so much already for this. I really hope this can be fixed otherwise I am out a lot of money. I wonder what the policy is on replacement necks for BFR basses since they are such limited quantity?
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  12. #27

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    Hey everyone, I just got my stingray back from my tech yesterday. He got the truss rod sorted out so that I was able to add more relief but it was still buzzing a bit so I went back in today with the stingray special and my older SR5 which is set just how I like it. He saw took some measurements and got my special much closer to how I like it but it was still buzzing a bit.

    I was playing around a bit tonight and then had a bit of an epiphany. I think what was very much contributing to the buzzing was the pickup height of the neck pickup. When I bought the bass, the neck pickup was pretty low so I tried to bring it closer to the height of the bridge pickup. I think the magnets are so strong that it was pulling the vibrating strings down towards the fretboard just enough to cause a bunch of buzzing. Has anyone else experienced this with an HH configured bass?

    I just lowered the pickup a good deal and am now finding it much much better.
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