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Thread: Required Reading: FORUM DECORUM

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    Exclamation Required Reading: FORUM DECORUM

    Iím going to paraphrase and outright steal from some of the things Sterling said to the moderators, but I also will add a bit of my own outlook, having been around since pterodactyls darkened the Texas skies.

    We have to tighten up control on the forum. Secondary responsibility for that falls on us, the mods and admins, but it will of course primarily be the membersí responsibility to control things. In other words, donít make a mess and we wonít have to clean it up!

    Sterling: ďFamiliarity and comfort can lead to forgetting that this is a corporate forum. Your comments ultimately reflect on our company and not the offending poster.Ē

    There is nothing inherently wrong with familiarity and comfort, of course. Many of us have met or know each other in real life and so on. As an example, I am friends with Sterling and his family and many of the EBMM employees, but this doesnít give me carte blanche to answer questions that are better answered by, say, Dudley or Dargin or Sterling. If after all these years, I still think carefully about how to approach a given subject, I donít think itís too much to ask you guys to do the same.

    Sterling: ďThe forum started with no rules. Period. Every rule and change has been made necessary by people who get crazy. We are just going to delete posts that donít work.Ē And please, donít PM me or anyone else about your First Amendment rights. If you donít know by now that I hate deleting things, you know it now. But delete it I will, and the only person I have to defend it to is BP.

    Some things should be obvious but are not, so Iíll be as clear as possible.

    1. Sterling: ďAny threads that contain negative criticism of other players will immediately be deleted.ď I canít imagine there would be any question about this. No one expects you to absolutely love every new band you hear, but ďWow, these guys suckĒ is simply unnecessary. If you donít like it, donít comment. Negative response is not an option. And this isnít just about EBMM artists. Everyone in the music business is working hard to do the best they can. Letís respect our fellow musicians even if what they do isnít our cup of tea.

    2. Sterling: ďPosts containing politics, race, creed, sexual orientation, and country of origin will also be deleted.Ē He reserves the right to make English dental jokes.

    3. Sterling: ďSexual innuendos are out.Ē Every time a female member joins up or Kevin or Derek post a pic of a female endorsee, I can tell you that a few of us hold our breath, waiting for the junior high sexual commentary. Weíre seldom disappointed. Yes, the female endorsees do check the forum and yes, they are offended. Treat them like you want your daughters/sisters to be treated and letís put an end to it without moderation. PLEASE.

    If the mods get three PMs about a particular member being ďrude, abrupt, combative, or terminally negativeĒ, we will contact the offending party and let them know that they are not making a positive contribution here. The offender will be on double secret probation. Any further trouble and the account will be terminated. And yes, we DO get PMs about certain obvious troublemakers, although as a bassist Iím relieved to say itís mostly on the guitar side. But not always.

    My take is that all of this should be common sense and usually is. The vast majority of you guys are positive, contributing members and I donít want you to feel as if everyone is being painted with the same broad stroke. Not the case at all. A few Ė a very few Ė bad apples really can spoil the whole barrel. I have lived through and dealt with a case or two of this on the forum and itís just no fun for anyone involved, especially the good guys.

    So just tighten it up a bit if you need to, please. I thank you on behalf of Sterling and all the moderators. And as the boss said, ďIt sounds like a bummer but I think that the vast majority will appreciate the more positive friendly environment.Ē
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    Still love this place. Those rules have to exist as the forum is getting more and more popular
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    Thank you BP and all the mods.

    Nothing but 100% support here.

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    Phew - english dental is stil in !


    Seriously though great to see a solid stance on this, I've found the last few weeks a little uncomfortable and posted less as a result, with the rules in place people know what is and isn't acceptable - and we can all have fun.

    Thanks to BP & The mods for your wisdom and guidance.
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    I don't know if you guys do it or not, but maybe you can start handing out infractions to people who just don't get it. I run a decent sized forum, ltxtech.com and I am a super mod at ls1tech.com (100k + members) and you just come to a realization that some people just don't care. Verbally slapping the wrists on an internet forum doesn't take you anywhere. Toss some infractions out to people that are obviously being out of line and before you know it they've earned themselves a one way ticket to ban-land. Then you aren't out-right banning people and you are also giving people a chance.

    I've been here for a few years now and lately I completely agree with BP that some users and comments are completely overboard and out of line. I'm not trying to arm chair mod, I'm not trying to tell anyone how to do their job, I'm just trying to offer some support from my experiences. Those comments are really deteriorating the quality that this forum is known for, and as Sterling said, hurting the brand not the fanbase.

    Either way, great read and definitely some excellent words of wisdom there. I just hope people can understand them and get some of these threads back to the excellent quality that this forum is known for.
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    We're just going to take the bull by the horns. Posts in poor taste will be deleted. Users that don't get it will be removed.

    We just want this place to be a good hang. Fun and respectful.

    When in doubt just think "... if Sterling invited me over for dinner, would I really say that out loud?" Remember who's house we're all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beej View Post
    We're just going to take the bull by the horns. Posts in poor taste will be deleted. Users that don't get it will be removed.

    We just want this place to be a good hang. Fun and respectful.

    When in doubt just think "... if Sterling invited me over for dinner, would I really say that out loud?" Remember who's house we're all in.
    i've spoke with a few friends from the forum privately off the eb site and explaied my silence and distance from the forum the last few weeks... but hope to be back and at 'em here shortly with the new rules in place. Thanks guys!
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    Great post and comments, I agree that it has been somewhat difficult around here. I took advantage of the lovely 'ignore list' feature so at least when I'm logged in I don't have to deal with the garbage
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    OK, my 2 cents, yea it is time, this is not the same place as it was before, seems over the last 4 to 5 months, lots of negativity and posts that have no purpose. I hope this changes quickly and we can get back to what matters, EBMM.

    Really dont need to come to a site full of venom, especially as I am making lots of life changes, need the fun positive stuff again and Oh, lots of NGD threads, best stuff or NBD for my large string friends.

    Rant over, back to normal programming.

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    I see where you are coming from, but compared to the other forums I visit, this is BY FAR the most friendly and easy going.
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    Sounds good to me. Aside from the fact that we all love EBMM guitars, don't we come to this forum to be treated with respect?

    There's enough negativity on the "outside world"...
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    I, for one, am glad the clamp is being tightened a bit. I know there are a few guys on here that haven't been around as much because of some of the B.S. that's gone on in the past few months. We've got a great thing going on here. I don't want to lose what we have. And I don't want to lose a bunch of good forum members cause some crap-disturbers seem to be causing most of the trouble. Hopefully, things can get back to normal.

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    No complaints here.

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    Cool.

    However, I wonder if for the people reading this thread it's kind of like preaching to the choir.
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