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    Super Switch Fragile?

    I recently bought a used MM Silhouette Special. The previous owner had put a standard 5 way switch in there. Sounded great, but I wanted the neck/bridge combination in the 3 spot. So I had my tech put in a super switch and was very happy with the results.

    One month later and I'm flicking from the 5 (neck) to the 2 position. Somehow I end up in a dead spot. Very, very faint sound coming out of the amp. It's between the 3 and 2 position on the switch.

    I emailed my tech and he said that the super switch is much more fragile than a standard 5 way. Says it's a tradeoff. More wiring possibilities but more of a probability of having to replace/repair the switch along the way. Says he can repair or replace the unit if I like.

    I like to toggle between positions when I play. I'm not a "banger", but I'm also not going to carefully move from position to position on a 5 way. There's a technique to how hard I hit the switch to get from here to there in as small a time frame as possible. I really wasn't hitting it hard at all and here I am with a "broken" switch after only a month.

    Much as I'm into the neck/bridge combination and the silent circuit, I'm seriously considering moving back to the standard 5 way switch. Hitting that dead zone is a no-go.

    Wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with their super switch. Thanks for your time.
    Last edited by gitapik; 05-28-2017 at 06:55 AM.
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    Never had that problem with any of morses and I'm not easy on the switch at all. Could just be a bad switch.
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    There are a few varieties of multi-pole lever switch, some better than others. The ones MM sources are great and I've never had a problem with them. Perhaps contact CS and buy one from them? You can wire them up to do pretty much anything you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gforce013 View Post
    Never had that problem with any of morses and I'm not easy on the switch at all. Could just be an ad switch.
    Thanks. I'd prefer to keep the super switch.
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    Hey, here's a thought...super switches are essentially 4 5-way switches that move to the positions at the same time. Depending on how the four different areas are populated, you may be able to simply move the wiring for those pickups that you're using in pos 1 and 2 from the current set of the four to one of the other ones, so that you're using a whole different set of connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harable View Post
    Hey, here's a thought...super switches are essentially 4 5-way switches that move to the positions at the same time. Depending on how the four different areas are populated, you may be able to simply move the wiring for those pickups that you're using in pos 1 and 2 from the current set of the four to one of the other ones, so that you're using a whole different set of connections.
    I'm a little embarrassed to say that this kind of work is beyond my scope. Sounds good...but I can't make practical use of the info.

    Now...if you'd like to hear about a great way to strip a wrought iron handrail and fence, I've gotten pretty good at that, lately. It's my latest project (outside of music).

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    Quote Originally Posted by beej View Post
    There are a few varieties of multi-pole lever switch, some better than others. The ones MM sources are great and I've never had a problem with them.
    I can't speak to the super switch, but I have had 2 factory MM JP 3-ways break on the same guitar. On initial arrival (brand spanking new) it was broken. Then after a few trips back and forth to Cali it broke again during return shipping after unrelated repairs. Albeit, both times they were broken during shipping (without any other discernible physical damage to the guitar), but still... that one doesn't leave the house anymore. ever.
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    I have an Albert Lee HH that has the same issue - dead spots on the switch. I have the "GC wiring" that also has a push/pull coil tap on the tone. It does cool stuff, but I don't move the switch live because of the dead spots. Kind of a stinker, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markd View Post
    I have an Albert Lee HH that has the same issue - dead spots on the switch. I have the "GC wiring" that also has a push/pull coil tap on the tone. It does cool stuff, but I don't move the switch live because of the dead spots. Kind of a stinker, but it is what it is.
    Might just be bad switches. Someone on another forum mentioned trying some contact cleaner. I'll give that a shot tonight.
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    No problem with my one (now ten years old and very well used). I've never heard of super switches (of any brand) being particularly problematic. But hey bad ones crop up form time to time and I think you were just unlucky to get one. Buy a new one, either direct from EBMM or from Stew Mac, and you'll probably be fine for ever more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrKev View Post
    No problem with my one (now ten years old and very well used). I've never heard of super switches (of any brand) being particularly problematic. But hey bad ones crop up form time to time and I think you were just unlucky to get one. Buy a new one, either direct from EBMM or from Stew Mac, and you'll probably be fine for ever more.
    I tried the contact cleaner. No luck.

    Will order another switch and give it a shot. I like it's benefits a lot. Thanks.
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    I have installed approximately 10 Megaswitches (E Model) purchased from Stew Mac and I have never had any issues. The E Model will get you the middle position that you describe. They are built well and come with very clear soldering instructions. The shaft and the associated plastic knob cap are a slightly different size than standard if I recall correctly, so if you want some color other than black or white, that could be an issue.

    I have not heard of a "Super Switch", so I Googled the term and apparently there is such a product with that name and it appears to be different than the Megaswitch. You might want to check with your tech if it was this other switch; if so, I would advise using the Megaswitch.
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    adt a megaswitch is a replacement for a one-wafer strat 5-way switch. The two wafer switches used in the Silo Spec are called "super switch" and this kind of switch is required to wire up the Silo Spec circuit. The megaswitch will not work.

    OP has you tech asked for and received the schematic for the SS from EBMM. I also have them if needed. Are the switch positions exactly like the SS diagram shows?

    Also it is important to note that EBMM made a change in the switches it used and uses in Silo Specs. The older models had a different terminal assignment. They changed to the more common Super Switch and I will have to look through my files to find the date they did that. I for one am very happy they did because the older SS guitars were a bugger to help people with.
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    Yes, the Oak Grigsby Spuer Switch sold by Stew Mac will do the job fine. The E Series megaswitch will do the job *IF* you don't require the silent circuit.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamminjim View Post
    Also it is important to note that EBMM made a change in the switches it used and uses in Silo Specs. The older models had a different terminal assignment. They changed to the more common Super Switch and I will have to look through my files to find the date they did that. I for one am very happy they did because the older SS guitars were a bugger to help people with.
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    Well I stand corrected - guess the E model will work as DrKev mentions .. I'd not seen one before. Actually they are kind of cool. :-) There's a superswitch on ebay for 16.19 free ship and in USA.
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