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  1. #16
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    Another +1 for axe fx II my tube amps literally collect dust these days.

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    I've been using fractal since to 2 originally came out and upgraded to the latest model of the 2 no regrets at all. But myself would love a Jp-2c but I can come pretty damn close if not identical to the Jp 2c with my ax fx. It's really boils down to your budget use if it's for home studio I'd say axe fx.


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  3. #18
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    Now if you got the money to spend I'd say jp2c rack mount head and two notes torpedo rack unit. Now for effects buy fractals fx8. To me if I had the cash I'd go that route but for me it's not practical.


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    Shortly after release, I bought a Helix with 2 Mission Engineering expression pedals. Within 2 months I had sold my Mesa Tremoverb, Mesa Electrodyne, Fender DRRI, and many of my pedals. I had a PedalTrain Grande chock full of them, too. This was the best purchase I think I have ever made. I use it live weekly. I have used it with a Yamaha DXR10 as a monitor, with a Fryette PowerStation and Port City cab, and as a stand-alone direct to the board. I have been more than pleased in every instance. I buy patches for it from Glenn DeLaune and have zero regrets.... if that helps any.


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    Oh and I use it direct to board almost exclusively now because the setup is so much easier.


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    If you want versatility then you have to go with a modeller. Then get high quality 2 x FRFR plus a sub woofer for extra punch. Job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieCrain View Post
    If you want versatility then you have to go with a modeller. Then get high quality 2 x FRFR plus a sub woofer for extra punch. Job done.
    Agreed if you're playing live and not running to the board. If you're recording at home, get a modeler and an awesome set of cans or a powered PA speaker/FRFR setup and call it a day. For home stuff, I am using my cans 99% of the time. It's all just preference though, I think.


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    I'm kind of in the same boat as you.

    I have a setup that I've been pretty happy with for live use for many, many years based on a Marshall pre-amp, a Boogie power amp and various rack effects. In addition to all that I've spent tons of money on pedals and "stuff" that allows me to record all that tube gear silently at home - lately a Rivera RockCrusher power attenuator and load box, which is cool... but expensive as well...

    All that stuff combined does give a good tone, in my opinion... but a specific good tone.

    Still, in my little home studio I often find myself missing certain sounds that my main rig just doesn't do well - so the gear hunt is always on, having me look at yet more (expensive) tube amps, pedals etc...

    Personally I've concluded that I would overall be better served with "just" a Kemper - so that's what I'm planning to get soon. It's a bit of a thing to swallow, I've been a "tube guy" for many, many years. But the "evidence" available on the web is overwhelming... I think we have to accept that amp profiling/modelling is now so mature, that if you stay with tube amps it's mostly a matter of personal preference and principles more than sound quality. Especially for home recordings..
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    I moved over from tube amps to the Kemper 2yrs ago and I haven't regretted it once with the constant updates they just get better and better and are so much easier to set up for gigs once you have the sound you like it doesn't deviate from gig to gig you always have the tone you want no matter how small or big the venue is and it is so light lol ;-)
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    Wow guys... some awesome feedback and comments. I'm still undecided which way to jump.

    I wont be playing out live in the future and will be spending more time in my home studio recording and well just noodling away.

    As I write this, I'm thinking modelling as I have a pair of Genelec DSP active monitors and sub. I do have time to tweak away with a modeler and I quite like the idea of messing around with cab sims etc. I've also got a load of great analog effects pedals that I can use with a Boogie and a Torpedo Live is another option.

    Argh.. decisions, decisions...

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    Just want to throw something at you regarding that Torpedo Live unit (because I was also VERY tempted by that piece of equipment for quite a while).

    Something that I personally think isn't totally clear is the fact that the actual processing that is done in the hardware unit is (by their own words on their forum) the exact same algorithm that is applied when you use their free "Wall of Sound III" plugin!

    So once I found that out I realized that the Torpedo Live is quite accurately named - it's a tool for having cab sim in a live situation. When recording, all it does is force you to "bake" one particular cab setting into your track, whereas using the WoS plugin allows you to tweak the cab sim settings during mixing.

    The other thing that the Torpedo Live unit gives you is a Loadbox, so you can connect a tube amp without a speaker. But I found the Rivera RockCrusher to be a better option for that particular use case, since it's a passive piece of equipment (and thus dead silent) where the Torpedo Live has a fan in it.

    Just something to consider, should you go the way of wanting to record tube amps silently with cab sim...
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    So many good points on both sides here. I completely understand the frustration with what seems to be never ending tweaking to get those amazing tones you hear other guys get with their Axe FX. I went through that a lot with my Ultra and even on the II for some time until the last 6-9 months or so. The firmware updates have really made a difference there. I"m finally able to get those great tones within a few minutes.

    Value: valid. not sure the Axe fx will hold value 10-15 yrs from now as a great tube amp like a Mesa. The Axe fx will still sound great in 10 years, especially if I (or others) claim it sounds great now, but will likely have the value like what a Digitech 2101 is today.

    Physical difference of hearing the amp play in the room won't ever be 100% the same. I wouldn't be so bold to say that. With an amp, you're pushing air and that is very hard to simulate with a modeller. That being said, the feel and tones from the Axe will get you the Mesa plus 100's more. That value is hard to beat....and if you're gonna do any recording via DAW, the AXE or Helix or whatever is a no brainer. my .02. Either way i don't think you're gonna be disappointed.
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    Go for the boogie. There's nothing more satisfying than turning one up loud and hearing the real thing. The fact that you don't have to keep things at bedroom levels is really a fortunate thing that a lot of people don't get to have. You can always start with the real thing and then get some mics and an interface later on if you want to record it. There's so many options take advantage of from mic placement alone. The joy of having a real set of tubes to put your guitar through is incomparable. Capturing that sound is a whole other fun side of the coin and something completely different to recording an axe fx or Kemper


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    I am addicted to my Axe FX II+
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    I love amps... but the value and practicality of the higher end modelers is incredible. I had been a Mesa player for about 17 years. I now don't own an "amp" other than the Fryette PowerStation.


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