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    Time to pounce?

    Now that Gibson is in trouble wouldn't it be about time for a new EBMM guitar.
    Priced around the US - Stingray/ Cutlass price point.
    Gibson scale length with a similar body shape to a LP to maybe take a bit of market share.
    Before you say Armada - The Armada was too expensive and the body shape not to Gibson fan boy tastes
    at least to the Gibson players I know.
    What are your thoughts?

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    The only "inspired by Gibson" musicman I'd love to see would be a big hollow 335.
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    second the 335

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    Doesn't really interest me.
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    Not really interested in an EBMM LP knockoff, but a short-scale Axis on the other hand ... Take my money now.
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    2016 Gibson Les Paul Studio Deluxe Caribbean Night
    1995 Washburn N2 Padauk Stain
    2017 Taylor 224ce-K DLX Koa
    SBMM JP70 Trans Purpleburst
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    Lets not kick Gibson whilst they are down. I doubt BP will be commissioning a LP inspired guitar.
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    Gibson make more then enough guitars to keep their fanboys happy. And their fanboys will only buy Gibson, not what they see as a copy, no matter how well made.

    As their existing fanbase ages (and dies off), and younger players don't care as much for tradional dinosaur brands as older players might, I would think EBMM are uniqely placed for success with new models, as we've seen them already do.

    Gibson as a brand is going nowhere fast. Their chapter 11 bankruptcy is for restructuring rather than closure. They're selling off real estate, selling or closing other non-guitar products and brand names they own. The debtors basically control Gibson now. Whjo knows, maybe HJ will be ousted in time. It'll be interesting. Time will tell.

    Bigger question for the industry is what will happen with Guitar Center this year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrKev View Post
    Gibson make more then enough guitars to keep their fanboys happy. And their fanboys will only buy Gibson, not what they see as a copy, no matter how well made.

    As their existing fanbase ages (and dies off), and younger players don't care as much for tradional dinosaur brands as older players might, I would think EBMM are uniqely placed for success with new models, as we've seen them already do.

    Gibson as a brand is going nowhere fast. Their chapter 11 bankruptcy is for restructuring rather than closure. They're selling off real estate, selling or closing other non-guitar products and brand names they own. The debtors basically control Gibson now. Whjo knows, maybe HJ will be ousted in time. It'll be interesting. Time will tell.

    Bigger question for the industry is what will happen with Guitar Center this year?
    DrKev, very well put and I have to agree. I've been thinking and watching the GC thing. I think the first step with them will be store closures. From my point of view they have far too many stores too close together. I think they did better with less store. But hey that's just my thoughts.

    Pops, honestly, nothing I'm really interested in, but thanx for starting this thread.

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    If I wanted a Gibson, I'd buy a Gibson.

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    thanks for the thought but Gibson will still be a powerhouse. The biggest issues with Gibson were other acquisitions..the screw up with auto tune and others is small for them. When the new owners exit bankruptcy they will be at least debt manageable if not debt free.

    Plus we cannot make any more guitars. It's very frustrating is a great way to have new stuff in the bullpen that you cannot find a spot for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrKev View Post
    Bigger question for the industry is what will happen with Guitar Center this year?
    Agreed. I see a lot of people celebrating the end of GC, thinking it will bring back the local music store. I don't think so. The nearest GC to me is an hour and a half away, and we've still been whittled down to one music store that sells new gear and one that sells used gear. When I was in college in the early 90s, there was at least one music store in every small town around here and three in the larger town. You could find just about any brand you wanted within a 20- or 30-minute drive, and we even had an EBMM dealer (though I had no idea how much I loved them back then. ). Now we're down to one dealer that carries the Fender brands and Ibanez. GCs didn't do that. Like so many other things, the internet changed that. No matter what happens with the physical GCs, I doubt we'll see GC.com, Musician's Friend or Music 123 go away. Nor, in fact do I want to. I remember the local store prices before the internet, and while those probably helped keep them in business, I don't want to go back to $8 or $9 for a set of Slinkys either.

    On a side note, it does seem to me that the two GCs closest to me have changed their strategy into lower-end gear. The last time I was in the store nearest to me, I think they had two guitars on the wall over the $500 mark. The larger one a couple of hours away that I used to visit to play EBMMs has a few more, but not many, and never any EBMMs these days.
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    2016 Gibson Les Paul Studio Deluxe Caribbean Night
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    SBMM JP70 Trans Purpleburst
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    A half-dozen pawn shop beaters no one cares about

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    Quote Originally Posted by spychocyco View Post
    Agreed. I see a lot of people celebrating the end of GC, thinking it will bring back the local music store. I don't think so.
    Never in a month of Sundays. Most small stores just cannot compete on price with internet sellers with a large warehouse who buy in bulk and none of the overhead of running a showroom (or over 250 showrooms, as is the case for GC). Customers are price promiscuous - they will go for cheapest and are not willing to pay extra just to support a local store, especially if the store is lacking in knowledgeable and pleasant staff. As I have said before here, small stores become a place that people try out instruments and then go homeand buy cheaper online. No small local store can survive that. This is the the world we live in now.

    Quote Originally Posted by spychocyco View Post
    On a side note, it does seem to me that the two GCs closest to me have changed their strategy into lower-end gear. The last time I was in the store nearest to me, I think they had two guitars on the wall over the $500 mark. The larger one a couple of hours away that I used to visit to play EBMMs has a few more, but not many, and never any EBMMs these days.
    Yes, they changed their strategy a year or two back. IIRC, top end instruments sell too slowly and they simply cannot afford to have expensive stock (that they've already paid for) sitting around all over the country to gid rid a few years later at a clearance sale. So only the top performing 100 or so stores get the best gear. The rest of the stores get what makes the most money for them, which is lower priced, bigger brand name gear.
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    I'm in the camp that big store become big stores because they offer better prices. Wal-mart, Starbucks, McDonalds, Guitar Center etc were all ONE store at one point. I've worked in a small guitar store. The owner refused to take a smaller margin to make the sale and he could afford to do that. He also refused to sell online, so already he is still trying to function in the last century and vastly behind the competition.

    I believe that people would prefer to buy locally, but when an item costs 15-20% more than online, why would you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by radrock View Post
    I believe that people would prefer to buy locally, but when an item costs 15-20% more than online, why would you?
    I'd always rather buy a guitar that I've had in my hands than something sight unseen (well, maybe except for EBMMs. There's nothing quite like being the first person to open that plastic and touch a new Axis. ). My local store has pretty much fallen in line with internet pricing, and I buy from them when I can, but the selection is fairly limited. That's the bigger problem for me. There's just not that much gear in the local stores (or the GCs these days) that interests me.
    My stuff:
    2007 Axis Pacific Blue Burst (9/25/07)
    2016 Axis Super Sport Starry Night PDN (11/23/16)
    2010 JP6 Mystic Dream (6/22/10)
    1989 Fender HM Strat HSS Blackstone
    2016 Gibson Les Paul Studio Deluxe Caribbean Night
    1995 Washburn N2 Padauk Stain
    2017 Taylor 224ce-K DLX Koa
    SBMM JP70 Trans Purpleburst
    SBMM S.U.B. SB4 Black
    A half-dozen pawn shop beaters no one cares about

    http://mountainkingmusic.com
    http://spychocyco.blogspot.com

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