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    Not sure if it counts as modelling per se but ya home I play through my THR5 97% of the time. I was just given an iRig HD2 for Christmas (not yet unboxed but may be useful) but I still love my modded Laney LC15-110 as a clean platform for pedals.
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    Sold my mesa boogie mark V and 2x12 to buy an axefx2xl+ because it wasn't fitting my recording/rehearsing/practicing/moving around and even gigging needs.
    It sounded great, but I'm far more happy using direct PA system connection and having a collection of sounds
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    I dabbled in Line 6 gear for years but it never felt “right” and was a PITA to setup. Last month I got a Headrush Gigboard and powered speaker and so far it’s a keeper. The amp models sound really natural, the effects are awesome, and the interface is so easy to use. I like being able to load custom IRs, I even have a few acoustic guitar IRs that make my JP piezo pickup sound like a Martin. I always thought of my Mesa Mark V as a tonal Swiss army knife, but I think it may be replaced by the Gigboard...
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    My current and longest tenured amp (3 years) is an Orange Rockerverb MKIII 100W. That amp and a handful of pedals covers all of my needs. While it has a great master volume I bought a Rivera RockCrusher for additional attenuation, direct out and speaker modeling. I also bought a Yamaha THR10 as a travel amp to take on camping trips etc.

    The AxeFX III has seriously piqued my interest in modeling again and as a result will most likely be one of this year's must have purchases.

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    Both - still prefer my tube amps and pedalboard, but I also have a Helix that I worked for several years to dial in to try to come as close as I could to the tones of my amp/pedalboard. Still not there, but have suitable enough to use when the venue either requires it, or it makes good sense to use.
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    Made the full commitment almost a year ago, Started with a L6 Helix Floor, downsized with a couple HX Stomp, recently returned to the HX Floor and will keep one Stomp for backup. Love these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wesman11483 View Post
    I know this is probably a cliche, but I get a lot of my dynamic changes from how heavy or light I strum, so as jmmp said, there's just something to hearing/feeling it from a cab. Maybe my sound guys just aren't giving me enough (and I've never loved in ears)...I always get compliments on my tone...I just always feel like there is "something" missing...

    i get it. So you are going direct into the board off the modeler and into in-ear monitors. I donít think I would be into that at all, but I havenít tried it either.
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    While I've thought about modelers for years I haven't broken away from my '05 SLO-100 as it gives me the sound and feel that I like to experience when playing live. I've been toying with the idea of picking up something like the Bias Head from Positive Grid since it gets incredibly close to the sound of my amp (with the SLO patch), weighs a lot less, and gives me the flexibility of other amp sounds. Now that Mike Soldano has retired my particular SLO is not replaceable, but a modeler would be.
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    Axe-FxIIXL+ and UAD -- my Bogner is collecting dust!

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    Two separate issues at play here.

    1) Dynamic responsiveness. This, imo, was a sorta common problem in the first few years of modeler popularity. The clean patches sounded clean. The heavy ones sounded heavy. Which is fine, because honestly, any regualr amp set up for those extremes tends to behave pretty similarly. But the in-between patches tended not to respond to changes in volume or pick attack in the way you'd expect. But that really hasn't been a widespread issue for, like, a WHILE. Even at the very affordable end of the digital market, you'll find models that react VERY well to dynamic shifts. Look at the practice stuff from Yamaha, Vox, Boss and others. Suuuuuper impressive.

    2) The sound of a cab: Yeah, I mostly agree. In a big enough space, the solution is to run into a cab for you on-stage sound, and DI to the board for the house sound. You get the feel of playing a "real" amp, and the audience gets the carefully controlled sound of a proper mix. But most rooms aren't big enough for that. So: IEMs. I've never had any headphone guitar experience that was wholly satisfying, but then, the show is for the audience.

    Quote Originally Posted by wesman11483 View Post
    I know this is probably a cliche, but I get a lot of my dynamic changes from how heavy or light I strum, so as jmmp said, there's just something to hearing/feeling it from a cab. Maybe my sound guys just aren't giving me enough (and I've never loved in ears)...I always get compliments on my tone...I just always feel like there is "something" missing...

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    At the studio I've done some work for I've used a Kemper quite a bit and I think it sounds really good. That was with the help of seasoned recording engineer though. I am still a little intimidated by all the banks and patches on these modelers so for my personal use I am playing through a Meas JP2C and a Revv Generator 7-40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wesman11483 View Post
    I know this is probably a cliche, but I get a lot of my dynamic changes from how heavy or light I strum, so as jmmp said, there's just something to hearing/feeling it from a cab. Maybe my sound guys just aren't giving me enough (and I've never loved in ears)...I always get compliments on my tone...I just always feel like there is "something" missing...
    I am a fan of in ears. I use them when playing out, and I believe my tone there is better than when I play at home, but a big part of that is being “disconnected” from the amp. I’m usually too busy doing other things (remembering parts, communicating with the band) to worry about feel of the modeler, but the tone in my ears is glorious (to me). I don’t think the sound guy turning up me or down would change the feel, even if we used wedges.

    The best way I can describe the feel of my amps, is that they push back against me playing the note. Like it’s a fight between me and the amp/cab. Through the modelers, it feels more like they’re doing their magic to my signal, but like the guitar is the only instrument.

    I do find modelers react to the changes in picking dynamics. Maybe not the exact same way as the amp being modeled, but dynamic enough for my uses.

    I owned a Kemper for a little while, and I would say it felt the most real.
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    Interesting thread and one I have been thinking about.

    I tend to dial in my dirty sound and my clean sound and that's it. I have a number of amps in my studio that ostensibly I bought to allow some sonic options -- Carvin V3, Carvin Legacy II, Mesa Triple Crown, 5150 II, 5150 III, Mojave Peacemaker, Mojave Dirty Boy, Panama Fuego X -- but I tend to dial them in all the same. (I also have my old rack rig, which, honestly, I have not powered up in a year). LOL. You get subtle differences based on the amp, but they all mostly sound like me. My current live rig is the Mesa Triple Crown, a 4 space rack that mainly houses my TC G System and Crybaby rack wah, and my pedalboard including the TC controller.

    Having said that, I am always "that guy" at the gig who has 23 things to load in and setup (and a bad back, to boot). When the drummer can load out faster than the guitar player, you got problems.

    So, I have been really intrigued by modelers but have not taken the plunge, mainly because of what I said above -- I don't need 1000 amp models as I just set it to my sound. I am actually not much of a tweaker...

    The reviews I have read (Premier Guitar, etc.) on the AxeFX III are pretty stellar. But I have been worried about:

    1) what a lot of folks have mentioned above about that push/pull symbiosis between the guitar and the amp. People say the AxeFX models tube "sag" well, but I still think there's a real dynamic that impacts how I play. What jmmp@ said above about the amp being an instrument itself. So, worried about losing that.

    2) I tend to dial in my sound in 1 minute and forget it. I DO NOT want to spend hours on hours building virtual rigs and tweaking things. And I DO NOT want to sit there tweaking virtual microphone placement and virtual cabinet impedance or virtual amp bias to try to get a sound.

    I'm kind of curious about: How easy is it to get an AxeFX, fire it up, download or recall like, an EVH Brown Sound rig with all of EVH's chorus, flanger, whatever and just say "Well, that was easy!" and start rocking?



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    Quote Originally Posted by dibart77 View Post
    I'm kind of curious about: How easy is it to get an AxeFX, fire it up, download or recall like, an EVH Brown Sound rig with all of EVH's chorus, flanger, whatever and just say "Well, that was easy!" and start rocking?


    Very easy. There are a couple of really great sources for Fractal tones that you can load in a matter of minutes and they are already tuned to go. Typically come in packs, so you pick pick a couple of your favorite clean, low, and higher gain tones, drop them side-by-side and you’re done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dibart77 View Post
    Having said that, I am always "that guy" at the gig who has 23 things to load in and setup (and a bad back, to boot). When the drummer can load out faster than the guitar player, you got problems.

    I’m becoming that guy too! I just built a new pedalboard with a Mastermind PBC Switcher, so that has brought a new level of complexity. I run stereo, so that requires I bring a 2nd amp. Plus my theremin, my synth toys on a table, and both the theremin and synth table each need a mic stand. Plus one guitar.

    My main amp is an Engl Raider and the stereo signal runs through a Tech 21 power engine. But I only haul all of that out for long gigs. For a 45 minute set, I’ll bring my Engl Screamer, a footswitch, a DM-3 delay and a Moog ring modulator. It’s nice to have the big setup at a gig, but is definitely more exhausting.

    An AxeFX3 would be nice, but most places we play don’t have a P.A., so I guess you would have to take an amp anyway, even with a modeler.
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