Off-topic: Knocked-over guitar=Band fight

[ptg]

if i damaged someone else's instrument, even by accident, i'd pay for 100 percent of the repair. Period. No questions, no hassles, even if the owner offered to split it.

You break it, you pay for it.

'cause that's how i roll.

I certainly wouldn't cause band drama over a measly $35. Drama sucks and is not worth anyone's time.

+100

[ptg]

I guess I'm different from all you nice folks, if a drummer broke one of my EBMM basses I'd stomp a mud hole in him, then stomp it dry.

Hence the name Psycho Ward??

[adouglas]

Hence the name Psycho Ward??

[pearlredburst]

I think it IS unfair of the drummer to not take responsibility for his actions....regardless of whether it is accidental or on purpose...I mean, he wouldn't PURPOSELY knock his guitar over, would he? I think the drummer should have to buy the guitar player an EBMM personally...a gold roller sounds in order here. Take it from me....I'm a drummer!

In all seriousness, what would this world come to if people didn't take FULL responsibility for their actions?

[mynan]

In all seriousness, what would this world come to if people didn't take FULL responsibility for their actions?

I think we're already there...

[lovechick]

Musicman Nut: I can't debate your assessment of the drummer's demeanor. Pearlredburst: the guitarist would kill to get his hands on my AL. After a couple years of promising, I recently brought it to a rehearsal for him to test drive and it was love at first strum.

[adouglas]

In all seriousness, what would this world come to if people didn't take FULL responsibility for their actions?

Take a look around you, pal.

[kylierider]

If I damaged someone else's instrument, even by accident, I'd pay for 100 percent of the repair. Period. No questions, no hassles, even if the owner offered to split it.

You break it, you pay for it.

'cause that's how I roll.

I CERTAINLY wouldn't cause band drama over a measly $35. Drama sucks and is not worth anyone's time.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[CFA]

Personally, if it was my bass, it'd be full price or a beating. Same as if I knocked over someone else instrument and damaged it, and they wanted me to pay for repairs, I would (I'd also offer as soon as they knew).

Personally, I wouldn't care if I knocked over a guitar that was leaned against a wall, or an amp, or on a stand. I knew, or should have known, it was there, and should have been careful around it.

In short, I'd be backing the guitarist if I were drawn into it... and probably if I wasn't, as I'd be thinking about if it were mine. The best thing I can think of is think about what you'd want if it were yours, and side with whoever is the best musician, or whoever you agree with the most

[Manfloozy]

So my problem is with the email and tone... That's not so cool... But then again is a friendship and band harmony worth $35? I'll send a check if it's that big a deal. just my arrogant opinion.

[koogie2k]

Here's my take on it and it is two part.

1. Drummer knocks over said guitar and damages it. I am sure he did not go out of his way to knock it over. However, he did. He should pay the full boat on it getting fixed. Simple as that.

2. Band needs to have a meeting. Put your instruments in a safe place so they do not get knocked over! That needs to be written in stone and from that point on....all are responsible for the care of their chosen instrument. That includes making sure it is not sitting out to get knocked over.

My band has a "band fund" that we would have plucked out of to fix the guitar. But, I will only tolerate so many "fixes" (you get one and that is it) before I have an issue with it. We use the fund to get strings, sticks, picks, heads, chords, etc. YOU have to take care of the instrument otherwise.

[Vintage7]

First Off your Drummer is an IDIOT. accidents do happen however, nobody can predict the cost til it's repair is done, The guitar player just assumed the cost.
The Drummer should cop up be a man and Pay for the mistake, Real people fix their mistakes. Good Luck, then find a new drummer.

I agree 100% with this.
Be responsible for all your actions, intended or not.
A drummer or anyone else can't predict what a repair will cost.
Drummer should pay full pop on the repair.

Our last drummer used to make a path from his drums on the side of my bass, no matter which side I set up on.
He'd always come very close to the stand.
One day he walks out, SM58 mic in hand, and convienently drops it on my $4,000.00 bass.
Coincedence, I think not.

[lovechick]

Koogie, I agree with #2 wholeheartedly. When I was in playing with an established, full-time band some years back, that was teardown rule #1: get your instrument (& any bottles or glasses) off the stage before the last cymbal was done ringing!

[drTStingray]

If I damaged someone else's instrument, even by accident, I'd pay for 100 percent of the repair. Period. No questions, no hassles, even if the owner offered to split it.

You break it, you pay for it.

'cause that's how I roll.

I CERTAINLY wouldn't cause band drama over a measly $35. Drama sucks and is not worth anyone's time.

I'm 100% with this - it often doesn't happen though, and because of this, Psycho Ward's suggestion is quite appealing

Sorry drummers everywhere - but come to think of it all of the dents in my basses are from collisions between drummer equipment and the instrument - sometimes caused by me, sometimes not - cymbals/stands you name it -

perhaps bands should have a drummer damage fund (I think The Who might have had one - ran to Rolls Royces and swimming pools I believe )

[Calaveras]

I had a similar experience. At one rooftop party/show the drummer ran out from behind his kit between songs to push the kick drum back in (playing too hard). He manages to catch his foot on my bass lead and pull the head off the top of my fridge style cabinet. Being a Mesa Bass 400 it lands very hard face first and wrecks the treble knob and one of the input jacks.
He offered to pay for it but the rest of the band stepped in and paid for it themselves and out of the band fund.
Point being, it's not important who pays for it, rather who is trying not to pay for it. He offered to pay for it before I even said anything.

I also can kind of see the drummer's side. Oh your old junky guitar that was already cracked? It cracked again and you want me to pay for it? Without knowing how badly it was broken before and how well it was repaired it is hard to pick a side. I have seen some horrendous repair jobs on those 60's 70's Gibsons/Guilds etc. That's why I dont own one. Every single one I see for sale has that headstock snap scar!