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pre-EB Ray I'm restoring - is it a one-off or shop bass?

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    pre-EB Ray I'm restoring - is it a one-off or shop bass?

    I picked up this early Stingray with plans to bring it back to normalcy. I just ordered the remaining parts I needed (thanks Scott) and it should be getting shipped off for a refinish soon (to Michael Dolan's).





    Other than the obvious jazz neck pickup addition, there were a few odd things with this bass.

    (1) The first thing that I noticed when I tried to swap necks with another pre-EB Stingray is that the neck heel is 1/4" more narrow than standard. Also, it has a jazz-width 1.5" at the nut.

    (2) The body has contours front and back like the later model Stingrays, not a slab body like it should be. I have no way of knowing if this was done later by the same over-enthusiastic person that added the neck pickup.

    (3) The jack was relocated to the side of the body. Again, I don't know when this was done. I'm going to have it filled and keep the jack on the control plate.

    Underneath the flakey finish, you can see the holes that have been filled in from the original bridge (I took off the bridge and sanded it down). I obtained a '79 bridge and the string-through holes line up perfectly (the '76-'78.5 holes were more directly under the intonation screws). This is the main thing that leads me to believe it's an authentic pre-EB Stingray, and not something that was put together elsewhere.

    The contours, extra pickup and side-mounted jack could all have been done at almost any time, but I can't think of a way to explain the narrow neck heel. The routing for the jazz pickup is very clean and nicely cut, not a hack job. The MM pickup route has the proper threaded inserts for the Stingray pickup.

    Does anyone have any additional insight into just what I may have here? Any other ideas?

    I know Dan Lakin started out as a big Stingray fan and collector, it almost looks like an early 4-94 prototype.

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    Pic of the back, you can kind of make out the string-thru holes.



    And if you look very closely, you will see the neck plate has a serial number on it. I also have a non-serial pre-EB neckplate which is correct for this '79 (the bridge I'm using is a '79 with s/n), so I am now one of the very few people (I'm guessing) that has a spare 'B00...' neck plate.

    It's not for sale, so don't ask.....

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    Definately keep us posted.
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    how's the restoring process going? i really wish i could find an older stingray with the thinner jazz style neck...i would have totally bought that in a heartbeat.
    Last edited by fire; 04-24-2005 at 03:12 PM.

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    I finally got my '79 Stingray back from being restored and refinished by Michael Dolan. The mystery on the narrow neck heel was solved when Michael fully stripped the body. The neck heel had been shaved down, and the neck pocket was shimmed. I had acquired an original string-thru '79 bridge which I was planning to install, but because of the more narrow neck heel the string spacing of that bridge would have put the E & G strings very close to the edge of the neck. I chose to use an ABM bridge with 18mm string spacing. I tried to get Hipshot to make me a custom bent plate bridge w/18mm spacing, but they weren't able to do it.

    The person that originally reworked this bass had WAY too much time on their hands. The things I found that they did were:

    1) reshaped the neck to a more narrow width (heel & 1.5" nut)
    2) added body contours ('79's have a slab body)
    3) moved the jack to the side of the body
    4) added a jazz neck pickup
    5) filled in all the original bridge holes

    I had Michael fill in the jazz neck route and the side jack hole. He refinished it in black, added a headstock decal and installed the ABM bridge. It came out pretty well I think. It currently has a black pickguard, but I'm going to have a Tort guard made with a more narrow neck cutout.






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    Hey, your nut matches your body.

    Nice work, Todd - you're like a private eye.

    Bass looks wonderful. Dolan rocks.

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    +1 with Rod. It looks beautiful!

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    Very nice!

    Are you going to keep it sans-pickguard?
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    Great job!
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    Very nice!!
    Excellent job!
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    It looks like a bought one!!!
    Great work thanks for keeping us posted

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    Great looking bass Todd. Youve done a heck of a job with it.

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    Missing Link

    It's the presumed lost, missing link between Stingray & Lakland.

    How did it sound in its 2 pup form? What was the pre-amp in it when you got it? I really like the battery cover in its original style. It looks like my handiwork. Well, actually, I would've sprung for Duck Tape.

    In any case, that's a real nice thing you done there. It's reel purty now. How 'bout just a black pick guard?

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