How to integrate my Piezo into my Rig?

[lenny]

Ummm dude you might wanna settle down...i quoted the part I WAS REFERRING to ...and you cant get the same tone out of a plain Electric amp as the P.A plain and simple ...so take your trash talk elsewhere...what are u 12 years old and 4 foot 2? come around here and try to be a big man?

[Willith]

Ninja edit:

Ummm dude you might wanna settle down...
...i quoted the part I WAS REFERRING to ...and you cant get the same tone out of a plain Electric amp as the P.A plain and simple ...so take your trash talk elsewhere...what are u 12 years old and 4 foot 2? come around here and try to be a big man?

Again, you're telling me what to do. You made an antagonistic post out of NOWHERE, for no reason, and then act surprised when someone responds like that?

How dense are you? NOBODY said you get the same tone going through a PA that you do going through an amp. Again, you've proven your ignorance by, AGAIN not going back and reading/comprehending my, and others', posts. The only one who started talking trash was you, because like you've shown everyone already, you're an idiot and can't read or comprehend.

and LOL at calling someone 12, and spelling "you" as "u" in the same sentence. Talk about being 12...

And FWIW, I'm 6'2", 235, @ 11% bf. u mad?

[lenny]

Again, you're telling me what to do. You made an antagonistic post out of NOWHERE, for no reason, and then act surprised when someone responds like that?

[SteveB]

Willith, you just don't see that kind of language here.. the company won't tolerate it.

[lenny]

Willith, you just don't see that kind of language here.. the company won't tolerate it.

Exactly what i was referring to ,but im done with him....He obviously hasn't been here long ...

[Willith]

Willith, you just don't see that kind of language here.. the company won't tolerate it.

Are they as tolerant towards unprovoked attacks?

[lenny]

again it wasnt an attack ..just an observation as i was reading the thread....obviously has a HUGE chip on his shoulder!

[Willith]

again it wasnt an attack ..just an observation as i was reading the thread....

Oh OK, that wasn't an attack..... I wonder what this would be considered then:




Sounds like a threat to me. BRB, informing authorities...

[SteveB]

Are they as tolerant towards unprovoked attacks?

First you have to consider that it is often hard to tell someone's tone when they're typing. Second, this *is* a forum - which means it's full of opinions (and we all know what those are like) - so you have to expect some level of back-and-forth on issues.

I didn't really take Lenny's initial comment as an 'attack' so much as someone spouting his own opnion. But that's just my take. No, the forum doesn't generally tolerate unprovoked attacks.. but we're pretty good at self-governing without hurling obscenities.

I'm not trying to provoke you, just trying to help avoid trouble with the moderators, who will certainly take exception to the 4-letter parts of your post. You can certainly fire back on Lenny if you feel so inclined, just keep the language within the bounds of what a company might want the world to read on its web site.

[lenny]

what im saying is your acting like a school yard bully and someone needs to shake u up ...and that is why i sent you a PM
This is getting out of hand and silly im done!

[beej]

Guys ... chill.

Willith, welcome to the forum. You can't just come in here and fly off the handle. Keep the derogatory comments to a minimum, they do not fly here. And be nice to Canucks ... some of them are moderators after all

Please- this stops now.

[leftyguitarblue]

sooooooo.....heard any good lefty jokes lately?



sorry, just trying to break up the tension.

[bkrumme]

As far as the piezo goes, here's my .02...

You can get good tones with the piezo and a regular guitar amp...as long as it's clean tones. This isn't my preference, but it can be done. Beware the dirty channel of your amp. It won't play nice with the piezo.

If you're going for an acoustic sound, either a dedicated acoustic amp, or a DI box into the PA is going to give you the best results. I'm speaking from a tone perspective here. The piezo WILL sound better using one of these methods. This is due to the design of the amplification systems.

As far as cabling/switching, my preference is a stereo/trs cable running into a splitter and I switch between mag/piezo with the switch on the guitar. If you don't have a switch on the guitar, an A/B/Y box would come in handy, or you can use an EB stereo volume/blend pedal to blend between the two tones. I think Spudmurphy uses the blend pedal and gets good results.

You can pick up a splitter and stereo cable from your EBMM dealer. Mr. DuBaldo can surely hook you up with the splitter: Ernie Ball Splitter Box He can also probably get you the trs cable.

So the chain look like this: Guitar > Stereo/TRS cable > splitter. Then one side of the splitter goes to your amp for magnetic signal, and the other side goes to your acoustic amp or DI/PA. Then you use the piezo/mag switch on the guitar to switch between them. If you have a guitar without a piezo/mag switch, your best bet is probably a blend pedal instead of the splitter.

[bkrumme]

I forgot to mention.

On the JP guitars, there are 2 outputs. One is Stereo/Mag only. The other is Mono/Piezo only. I'm not sure about the other EBMM guitars with piezo so this does NOT cover them.

This means you have 4 options:

1. Magnetic pickups only. Here, you would use a mono guitar cable from the stereo/mag output. You get ONLY the magnetic pups this way. Switching the piezo/mag switch to piezo will mute the guitar.

2. Mag & Piezo with 2 cables. Here you would use 2 separate cables (one from each output). The Stereo/Mag would go to your guitar amp. The mono/piezo would go to your acoustic amp or DI/PA.

3. Mag & Piezo with 1 MONO cable. Here you would use one mono cable from the Mono/Piezo output. Both the magnetic and piezo signals are output to the same place with this method. You would have to use an A/B box to split them to separate locations, or use them both with one amp.

4. Mag & Piezo with 1 STEREO cable. This is what I described in my previous post. You use the splitter or stereo blend pedal as I described and have the signals going to separate amplification systems. Alternatively, you could use a Y cable instead of the splitter, but the concept is the same.

[Spudmurphy]

The silo/Piezo is a similar set up to my Al/Piezo.
My JP/piezo on the other hand has a toggle switch.

I can recommend the type of set up that I use:-
Stereo out into an EB 6165 Stereo pedal. _ This splits the signal to send the mags to my tube amp and the Piezo to my AER. The pedal will give you all the control you need.

Without wishing to stir up a hornets nest - many years ago, the thought of buying a dedicated acoustic amp was anathema to me.
After hearing the sound of a piezo through an acoustic amp I completely changed my opinion and I have to say that back in 2005 when I was buying my first EB, on hearing the piezo it was like being punched in the stomach !!

I just had to get one. The piezo will sound "allright" through a tube amp but it just comes alive through an acoustic amp.