Newbie here with a question for the SUB1 owners...or anyone for that matter!

**Four Eyes** · 12-13-2009, 06:46 PM

Greetings all!

Just picked up a SUB1 last week and I love it. I can't put it down. So much so that I barely made it through my gig last night because of the hand fatigue I gave myself.

The guitar I picked up is a hardtail and came with the standard tuners. Being a long-time fan of locking tuners, I am wondering if anyone can help me figure out which brand would be a direct retrofit for my new baby.

Thanks gang.

**meenahga** · 12-13-2009, 07:08 PM

That would be the Schaller locking mini tuners. Check with EBMM Customer Service.

Also, I think you can get 'em individually from Warmoth. See:

Schaller Mini Locking Tuners

Check the site, but I'm pretty sure it's 4 left and 2 right.

**Four Eyes** · 12-13-2009, 11:12 PM

Warmoth, eh??? Those guys have everything!

**Kaloyan** · 12-14-2009, 03:39 PM

The guitar holds tune well without them either way but I have Schaller in one of my customs and I cant really tell the difference .... Weird eh?

**Four Eyes** · 12-14-2009, 03:55 PM

Ya, I think the reason I like 'em so much is because it makes re-stringing alot quicker.

**Crimson Sunrise** · 12-14-2009, 04:45 PM

I might have to change mine eventually. The original owner had just about stripped the flat-head locking tuners. I actually did a full set-up on my SUB1 yesterday night. It plays and sounds fantastic!

**azazael** · 12-14-2009, 04:46 PM

If you restring a guitar properly and stretch the strings in locking tuners are in no way needed. I have cheap guitars that maintain perfect tuning with this method.

**Crimson Sunrise** · 12-14-2009, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by azazael

If you restring a guitar properly and stretch the strings in locking tuners are in no way needed. I have cheap guitars that maintain perfect tuning with this method.

They are for me. I want a FAST string change. I have no time for wrappin' string around the post, while leaving a chance of string slippage. And of course, string stretching is always necessary.

**Four Eyes** · 12-14-2009, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by azazael

If you restring a guitar properly and stretch the strings in locking tuners are in no way needed....

True, the stock tuners on my Sub work fine and hold tune fairly well. But for the sake of argument, my stock strap buttons worked equally as well, but I still elected to use straplocks.

It's a matter of personal preferance I guess...I change strings farily frequently when I'm on the road, never putting more than two shows on a set before they're swapped out. Having locking tuners for me is purely a matter of convenience. It's alot easier to change strings in a moving vehicle or a dressing room couch when all you have to do is thread 'em through, lock 'em down, stretch 'em out and tune 'em up.

**azazael** · 12-14-2009, 05:55 PM

I never get slippage... ever.
Its all in the method.

I also think having good windings helps resonance.

**B2D** · 12-14-2009, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by azazael

If you restring a guitar properly and stretch the strings in locking tuners are in no way needed. I have cheap guitars that maintain perfect tuning with this method.

I will agree with this. Locking tuners aren't essential for me but they are appreciated. I find quality tuners help sustain, as well. My MIM strat gained a lot of sustain when i changed from the stock tuners to Sperzels. I've never noticed a difference on winds vs. no winds with locking tuners, though. I usually put one full wind on just in case the lock fails.

Also, having a well-done nut helps. Cheap ones that aren't well-cut can sometimes bind up the strings at the slots. Having a well-cut/filed nut with a little lube in it helps.

**Kaloyan** · 12-16-2009, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Four Eyes

True, the stock tuners on my Sub work fine and hold tune fairly well. But for the sake of argument, my stock strap buttons worked equally as well, but I still elected to use straplocks.

It's a matter of personal preferance I guess...I change strings farily frequently when I'm on the road, never putting more than two shows on a set before they're swapped out. Having locking tuners for me is purely a matter of convenience. It's alot easier to change strings in a moving vehicle or a dressing room couch when all you have to do is thread 'em through, lock 'em down, stretch 'em out and tune 'em up.

I think you just WANT to install locking tuners ... you really dont NEED to ... something like idea-fix ... Go for it man ... you wont damage anything

**John C** · 12-17-2009, 08:24 AM

Actually I'm not sure the Schallers are direct replacements on the SUB1 guitars; I belive those guitars used EBMM-branded Gotoh tuners (while all the other EBMM guitars do use Schaller tuners).

The one I had briefly (I tend to not keep bolt-neck humbucker guitars around for very long

) had the old-style Gotoh Magnum tuners where you had to use a coin to unscrew/rescrew the locking top part of the post.

Again, I'm not sure you wouldn't have to do a little drilling to use Schallers.

**Housefull** · 12-17-2009, 11:26 AM

Hmmmmm,

My Sub stays in tune better that the Sterling, neither of which has lockers

ETA- duh, I'm thinking basses

**MusicManJP6** · 12-23-2009, 08:59 PM

I'd love to have a Sub1 w/ fixed bridge for drop tunings!! I've even got a spare set of original JP pickups I could install. Can you say, "Working Man's JP"?!