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Is there a philosophy about set neck/neck thru guitars?

This is a discussion on Is there a philosophy about set neck/neck thru guitars? within the Music Man Guitars forums, part of the Gear Talk category; The interesting thing about this topic, is that guitar players generally tend to voice opinions with either no scientific research ...

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    The interesting thing about this topic, is that guitar players generally tend to voice opinions with either no scientific research to back it, or they claim they read somewhere from a credible source that some lab determined "x" build type "won" in terms of sustain, etc. Not saying that it has happened here, I'm just speaking generally about what I observe whenever I see topics like this being discussed elsewhere.

    I guess the point is that it's all preference. To me, I LOVE neck-thrus to death, but at the moment I have 3 JPs, and no neck-thru guitars--I think that speaks towards the points that have already been made in terms of just playing what you like. The other thing to consider is that I think EBMM is arguably the best company out there for guitar making, simply because the prices aren't too inflated, and you get one of the best quality products possible. It's for this reason that I think it's unfair to compare another brand's set neck/neck thru to an EBMM, because you have to be a REALLY good company to stack up to EBMM (at least in my opinion).

    That having been said, I think why there hasn't been an artist who requests anything other than bolt on, is because of the reliability issue. Like others have mentioned, bolt-ons provide more versatility in tweaking, and if something breaks it's a simple swap. That makes a HUGE difference when you are an artist on tour, where your guitars risk breakage everyday and go through huge temperature and humidity changes frequently. A lot of times, I prefer the feel of a heel-less neck-thru guitar, but obviously when I look at my current arsenal, I see that the preferred feeling takes a backseat to the other things EB has to offer (and it's not like a JP's heel is unplayable!). And even if a set-neck or neck-thru had more sustain/tone/whatever, would the extra few seconds of sustain make THAT much of a difference in the music we play, or even with the gear we play through?

    Personally, I think that the gear your playing through, and your own skills as a player have such a huge impact on your tone, sustain, sound, etc. and that you can compensate for a lot of the "problems" you encounter. That is why I think playability is one of the most important things in a guitar, and EB offers some of the most playable guitars out there. Simply stated, it's easy to mitigate a tone problem (just EQ your amp or get a pedal, etc.) but it's much harder and more frustrating to try to get a guitar to play nicely, whether it sounds great or not.

    So yeah, I'll echo Stratty in saying let EB build what EB wants, because clearly their philosophies are worthwhile and have built some groundbreaking guitars up until now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Gillis View Post

    That having been said, I think why there hasn't been an artist who requests anything other than bolt on, is because of the reliability issue. Like others have mentioned, bolt-ons provide more versatility in tweaking, and if something breaks it's a simple swap. That makes a HUGE difference when you are an artist on tour, where your guitars risk breakage everyday and go through huge temperature and humidity changes frequently.
    I've always worried about this, had two friends' LP and SG headstocks just snap, and there's nothing they can do in the way of a replacement, other than pay tons of money to get it repaired. I've seen custom PRS's with snapped headstocks and it just breaks your heart to see a $6000 custom, one-off instrument unrepairable. Bolt-ons just make more sense to me if something happens...

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    I've never had any desire for a neck through. I've always had bolt ons and probably always will.
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    Take your bolt on neck guitar, unplug it and play it while putting the headstock on a door jamb or something (wood on wood just like a bolt on)- NOW THAT"S SUSTAIN!!!!!!

    Now take the same guitar and do the same thing, only this time put a small washcloth (i.e., represents layer of wood glue) between the door jamb and the headstock - hear any difference!!

    Yeah, I knew you would!!

    Gee, then there's the thing about getting "perfect" action by shimming the neck pocket.

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    Maybe Music Man (with Leo Fender) and BP and CO afterwards, just utilized bolt on and the design worked out for them?

    I mean, could be as simple as that.
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    I'm lucky enough to have a wife that has allowed me to have some nice LP's and EBMM's. They're both nice, in different ways. Neither is necessarily better, just different. There's room enough in the world for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LawDaddy View Post
    I'm lucky enough to have a wife that has allowed me to have some nice LP's and EBMM's. They're both nice, in different ways. Neither is necessarily better, just different. There's room enough in the world for both.
    yep I agree, it would be boring if every guitar was built the same way My Set neck Yamaha SG2000 was just an amazing guitar, a tone monster. But was just way too heavy for my old back
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    I'd like to see what BP has to say about this topic

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    The topic of making other kinds of guitars (not just set necks) has come up a few times. Acoustics, hollow bodies, etc. Can't find the comment, but a while back, sterling had a great comment that went something like, "the market allows you to be successful in certain segments" (something to that effect).

    In the guitar world, it's pretty easy to get pigeonholed into a particular design ... Fender for bolt-on, Gibson for neck through body, etc, ... I really think the EBMM crew know where to operate most successfully and hit their sweet spot.

    You see new designs and innovations from EBMM all the time, but it takes a reasonable amount of time for them to get traction in the market. But of any guitar company I've ever seen, they're expanding their presence and reputation like nobody else.

    Edit: found that quote:

    "I have explained that the market allows you to be in certain segments. Notice how many times Fender has tried acoustics...Fender is percieved as an bolt on electric guitar company. Sheeze, Ive been fighting for twenty years just to be considered something more than a bass company....."
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    This is a little like the conversation about which is better, a Strat or an LP? Arguments can be made for both kinds of tone but arguably, I think we need both and everything in between.

    There is no "better" IMO. And yes, my EVH can hold it's own funtionally and tonally with other guitars of different construction.

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