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New mods on my two SUB1's (long post)

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    New mods on my two SUB1 guitars (long post)

    Okay, guys, here's the deal. I came to my EBMM stable backwards - I actually got two different Morses (sig and Y2D) BEFORE I got my SUB's (long story documented elsewhere).

    I got the Red SUB1 earlier last year. Someone had put the little rhinestone thing over some sort of a mark before I got it.



    The Black SUB1 was actually the second black one that I got, with the intention of modifying; got the first, but then got the second because it had the compensated nut (sorry, forgot to take a 'before' picture).

    The whole point of getting the SUB's was to have a MM guitar that I could bang around without as much concern on outdoor gigs and such. After playing the Red SUB1 for a whole season, I realized that there was a LOT of potential here, and that there could be a few mods to make it even more versatile than it already was, and make it my, well, beat-up-able Morse substitute.

    After reading a lot here about different mods, I started formulating my gameplan.

    First objective: sand the black finish off the neck. I love the way the necks on my Morses feel. After reading how JackFFR1846, Kaloyan, GoKart Mozart, GuitarER, and DaPatrooch sanded the necks of their SUBs, I decided to do the same, sanding the black off the back and sides of the headstock as well, to match my Morse Sig with matching headstock. I would have posted all the 'process' steps, but it would really just look like what Jack et al. did. Suffice to say, after removing the tuners and serial number label (hint for those who want to do the same: use a blowdryer to heat the label and soften the adhesive for easier removal, carefully lifting with a razor blade; do the same before reapplying) I masked, sanded incrementally from 100/220/320/400/600, then went the Birchwood Casey Tru-oil and then Gunstock Wax route, including the headstock. As you might expect, the necks aren't as beautifully figured as my Morse's, but they're pretty cool as they are. I did the guitars one at a time over the Xmas break - each took less than an hour to sand, so by the end of the day, each neck was done.

    Outcome and evaluation: I'm very pleased with the way they turned out. I admit that I may be fooling myself, but I love the way these necks feel.





    Second objective: take advantage of the pickups. It's well-documented here that the stock pickups were split-able/tap-able, so I started thinking about what I'd want the guitar to be able to do. I knew I wanted to start by having the standard Morse options of Neck, Neck+Bridge, and Bridge settings, but was curious about other non-standard options.

    I suppose I should say that by this point, I had obtained a pair of Morse Signature pickups and a multi-pole lever switch, and used another guitar to experiment with, as far as finding ways to wire the two pickups for various options. I realized that I didn't use the single coil sounds as much on my Morses (pos 2 and 3), so I wanted to figure out other options that might be interesting.

    I'm a big fan of Michael Landau's, and one of his sounds I love is that glassy, str*t-ish pos 2 or 4 sound. So I wired my experiment guitar so that I could get a neck humbucker plus the neck-side coil of bridge pickup, as well as the opposing bridge humbucker plus the bridge-side coil of neck pickup. The first was what I was after; to my surprise, the second was a lot like the first. So that meant that I got what I wanted, and also a slot that could be made different. At this point, the thought also occurred that I could use a push-pull pot on the tone control to split/tap both of the humbuckers to get some of those str*t single-coil sounds.

    I also had decided that I wanted the vol/tone/lever locations positioned like the Morse sig (a bit different from the Silo Spec). So I ordered two pickguards from Pickguard Heaven (Kenny from PGH was a great help on the phone). After a little bit of research, I found that the most the most cost-effective way to get what I wanted was to start with the SUB1 HH layout, delete the normal control layout, and add the vol/tone/lever layout from the Morse Sig (only added $10 to the cost of the material for the pg). I had them orient the Morse control layout based on the location of the bridge pickup on the SUB1 HH template.

    Of course, the pickguards arrived right in the middle of a very busy time, so I wasn't able to work on both guitars at the same time, so I chose to work on the Red SUB1 first (I figured the Black one was the 'better' one because of the nut, and so wanted to suss out the mistakes on the Red one first). I pretty much knew what to expect in all but one spot, which was where I decided to experiment with using one of the tapped single coils out of phase. I got this idea from watching the Game Changer videos. Got a pickguard in flat black, which matched the original color. I did have to enlarge the control cavity slightly in order to fit the lever switch (five minutes with the router). On the multi-pole lever, went with

    neck HB,
    neck plus neck-side coil of bridge HB,
    neck HB plus bridge HB,
    bridge HB plus bridge-side coil of neck HB OUT OF PHASE,
    bridge HB.

    add to this the push/pull tone pot which would ground the outside coils of both humbuckers, so that when pulled, I got

    bridge-side coil of neck HB,
    bridge-side coil of neck HB plus neck-side coil of bridge HB,
    bridge-side coil of neck HB plus neck-side coil of bridge HB,
    bridge-side coil of neck HB out of phase plus neck-side coil of bridge HB,
    neck-side coil of bridge HB.

    Yes, there are two identical positions here, but I didn't come up with a quick and easy alternative (read: I was too excited about getting it done to figure out other options).

    Outcome and evaluation: the out-of-phase experiment garnered a couple of interesting sounds, but when all was said and done, the considerably lower output level negated the novelty of the sounds. Other than that, mission accomplished.



    So on to the Black SUB1. I received this guitar with a black pearl pickguard, in addition to the original aluminum-ish one. While the pearl was a nice contrast on the all-black guitar, I thought that I wanted something different to compliment what was to be the natural wood neck. After perusing Pickguard Heaven's materials lists, I decided on their Baltic Amber.

    In wiring the switching, I did everything the same as on the Red SUB1, but instead of using the out-of-phase approach for the one position, I decided to wire the bridge humbucker in parallel instead of series. I figured I'd get that thinner single-coil-ish sound, but with less output drop. Basically a brighter color than what was there otherwise. So this gave me

    neck HB,
    neck plus neck-side coil of bridge HB,
    neck HB plus bridge HB,
    bridge HB in parallel,
    bridge HB (in series).

    add to this the push/pull tone pot which would ground the outside coils of both humbuckers, so that when engaged, I got

    bridge-side coil of neck HB,
    bridge-side coil of neck HB plus neck-side coil of bridge HB,
    bridge-side coil of neck HB plus neck-side coil of bridge HB,
    neck-side coil of bridge HB,
    neck-side coil of bridge HB.

    So yes, now two redundancies, but still, I get three usable single-coil settings (neck single, neck single plus bridge single, bridge single).



    Outcome and evaluation: I like this setup well enough that the next time I have to change strings on the Red SUB1, I'll redo the wiring this way. The only other thing I am considering is using the push-pull to put both humbuckers into parallel, rather than grounding one coil.

    So that's it - almost NGD x2. I love the way the necks feel; the new switching scheme gives me some nice options; I'm really digging the Baltic Amber on Black with the maple neck. Here they are together (though the light isn't as good)...



    Oh, and to make matters sweeter, I managed to find a pair of MM hard-shell (skb) cases locally through Craigslist - a nice Xmas present to myself!

    Thanks for checking these out!

    Best from Craig
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    Subs are just great, I'd love to sand my neck like that it looks great the way you did it. Nice work.
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    Great post Craig and a very interesting read. I really like the work you did on both of them and that Baltic Amber pick guard really makes that ax pop. I figure these two guitars are going to be seeing a lot of playtime from now on=great job.

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    Very impressive, that's quite a bit of thought and work you've put into both.

    The HB + 1 coil out of phase is something I'd like to try, I've never done that.
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    Great job and nice post !

    I agree with you : the position of the knobs on the Morse is perfect. The tone knob on the SUB is a bit too far away for tone swells (I can do it but I suffer !)

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    Nice work and congrats on the outcome!
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    Craig.

    Great mods on a great guitar, really tasteful too.

    I went with Abalone on my Sub project, but that Baltic Amber on black just owns. Very very nice.

    A little beast of a guitar, no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beej View Post
    Very impressive, that's quite a bit of thought and work you've put into both.
    Thanks, Beej. Thinking about it was easy; figuring out how to do it, that took a little more time.

    Quote Originally Posted by beej View Post
    The HB + 1 coil out of phase is something I'd like to try, I've never done that.
    I thought the sound was very interesting (I think Luke said something like, 'sqwuanky' on one of the Game Changer vids), but substantially softer than the other combinations. It would seem the reverse phase really cancels out a lot of content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fbecir View Post
    Great job and nice post !

    I agree with you : the position of the knobs on the Morse is perfect. The tone knob on the SUB is a bit too far away for tone swells (I can do it but I suffer !)
    Thanks for the kind words.

    Truth be known, I would have moved the knobs even closer, but I didn't want to introduce a completely new pickguard shape and routing; that was one 'line' I chose not to cross from the outset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack FFR1846 View Post
    Nice work and congrats on the outcome!
    Thanks, Jack. Your documentation of your mods was a very encouraging and motivating force (not to mention comforting) in my decision to move ahead with my ideas. I lost count of how many times I read your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticky1973 View Post
    Great mods on a great guitar, really tasteful too.

    I went with Abalone on my Sub project, but that Baltic Amber on black just owns. Very very nice.

    A little beast of a guitar, no doubt.
    Thanks - I came THAT close to choosing either the Abalone or Black Pearl/Oyster, but I kept coming back to the Amber. For better or worse, it just seemed to make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slingy View Post
    I'd love to sand my neck like that it looks great the way you did it. Nice work.
    It was easier and faster than I thought it would be, even with being careful with the masking and all.

    I'd say, 'go for it.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by straycat113 View Post
    Great post Craig and a very interesting read. I really like the work you did on both of them and that Baltic Amber pick guard really makes that ax pop. I figure these two guitars are going to be seeing a lot of playtime from now on=great job.
    Thanks - unfortunately, too many guitars; not nearly enough time.
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    Great writeup! Nice results. I really enjoyed reading this thread. I have to agree that the Baltic amber guard looks really nice on the black Subie.

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    Wanna borrow my router?

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