Question Silhouette special - SSS or HSS ?

[tj1]

Hi

I have just been lucky enough to test both a SSS and an HSS Silhouette special.

For some reason the SSS model is £300(about $400) cheaper than HSS.

I am a beginner and I struggled to tell the difference when playing basic chords, even when twiggling the lever all five ways.

Could anyone tell me why I should pay so much more for the HSS?

Thanks

 

[DrKev]

Welcome to the forum!

Painted headstock and/or sunburst finish are the extra charges. Otherwise I thought they’d be the same price. (Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong).

If money is no object, buy the one you liked most.

 

[tj1]

Thanks for the reply - money is an unfortunate object, so I am minded to go for the SSS, I just have the worry that if and when I get more accomplished I'll regret not going for the more expensive model.

 

[DrKev]

You won’t. The SSS is not inferior in any way. Just slightly different sounding in certain switch positions thanks to one different pickup. As you progress as a player and you become more aware of the sonic differences, you may decide that this was the perfect guitar for you all along or you may decide you want something completely different, maybe in addition to this rather than a replacement. Who knows! The important thing is that you start the journey.

The Silhouette Special is a top quality instrument. You will start the journey with a fantastic instrument that can literally last you a lifetime.

 

[John C]

Hi

I have just been lucky enough to test both a SSS and an HSS Silhouette special.

For some reason the SSS model is £300(about $400) cheaper than HSS.

I am a beginner and I struggled to tell the difference when playing basic chords, even when twiggling the lever all five ways.

Could anyone tell me why I should pay so much more for the HSS?

Thanks

There are a couple of reasons why there could be a price difference. You don't say if these are used or new guitars, but as DrKev says EBMM has had a lot of finish options over the years that can drive the price of one guitar up over another; besides things he mentioned (painted headstock, some colors) the tremolo used to be an upcharge as well.. For Silhouette Specials I believe DrKev is correct - the HSS and SSS were the same base price.

However, EBMM hasn't made the SSS Silhouette Special for 3 1/2 years now; they were last available to order in the fall of 2015 (the SSS version was discontinued as they released the Cutlass guitar). The Silhouette Special (and the Silhouette) have had a significant price increase since the SSS Silo Special was discontinued so you may just be seeing the difference in the cost of a more recent HSS model (say comparing a 2018 HSS to a 2015 SSS - the 2018 price is at least $400 more than they were in 2015).

I've never owned the HSS, but I've had 3 of the SSS over the years, and they are great guitars; you can't go wrong with either. The SSS is going to be a more classic sound (like Jimi Hendrix, David Gilmour of Pink Floyd, blues players like Stevie Ray Vaughan) while the HSS is more of a modern rock sound. Both are great.

 

[tj1]

However, EBMM hasn't made the SSS Silhouette Special for 3 1/2 years now; they were last available to order in the fall of 2015 (the SSS version was discontinued as they released the Cutlass guitar). The Silhouette Special (and the Silhouette) have had a significant price increase since the SSS Silo Special was discontinued so you may just be seeing the difference in the cost of a more recent HSS model (say comparing a 2018 HSS to a 2015 SSS - the 2018 price is at least $400 more than they were in 2015).

Many thanks for the background, that is very helpful. They are both(the HSS and SSS) being sold as new guitars. But can I take it from your post that the SSS has basically been sitting in storage for the last two years?. The other difference was that SSS seemed to have a darker fretboard moulded to a much lighter neck, the HSS fretboard was the same light material as the neck. In terms of sound - yes they the both sounded great - although the HSS seemed slightly fuller, and the workmanship on both was very, very good.

 

[GWDavis28]

I've got both and my first was the SSS, I later got the HSS. Both are great guitars and among my favorites. If you starting out you can't got wrong with either. My first EBMM was the Silo Special SSS hard tail and it will always be one of my favorites. John_C and DrKev, nailed it as far as I'm concerned and DrKev is an instructor and a Mod here, and a Silo Special owner as well. Good for you seeking out advice!!!

Whatever, your decision, both are smart moves and the used prices are insane in my opinion.

Good luck, Glenn |B)

 

[tbonesullivan]

You know, these are questions you really should be asking the store where you tried the guitars out. I wouldn't make any assumptions about the age of the instruments, or other reasons for the difference in price. If the SSS is "old stock", it may be discounted as they are trying to move it out.

And, as others have said, different colors and specific packages cost more.

 

[tj1]

Thanks again for the replies. In the end I decided to press the button on the SSS on the basis that I found the difference in sound between it and the more expensive HSS to be quite marginal. It cost £1500(about $2,000), which whilst a heck of a lot of money for a beginner's guitar, does look like as someone here said, to be built for life.

Incidentally I also tried out a considerably more expensive PRS CE, whilst the finish on the PRS was glossier and seemed to have more instant showroom appeal, the EBMM sounded better to my ear, and I suspect is, underneath, better constructed. The PRS seemed a bit delicate in comparison.

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[John C]

Many thanks for the background, that is very helpful. They are both(the HSS and SSS) being sold as new guitars. But can I take it from your post that the SSS has basically been sitting in storage for the last two years?. The other difference was that SSS seemed to have a darker fretboard moulded to a much lighter neck, the HSS fretboard was the same light material as the neck. In terms of sound - yes they the both sounded great - although the HSS seemed slightly fuller, and the workmanship on both was very, very good.

Yes - I don't remember the exact specifics, but there was a specific deadline in 2015 before they stopped accepting orders for the SSS Silhouette Special, and it was fairly late in the year. So I would imagine the last of them were finished and shipped out in early 2016 as EBMM is several months backordered. So the SSS model would be no newer than early 2016, but the HSS could be brand new. However, after that "order deadline" in late 2015 the HSS would only be available in black or white; all other colors it had been available in were discontinued at that time.

The HSS would sound fuller in the bridge position - the "H" stands for "humbucker", and a humbucker pickup is going to sound louder and fuller than a single coil, which is in the bridge position of the SSS. The switches have 5 positions - naming convention is to call "Position 1" the bridge pickup by itself, then you work through the other settings and position 5 is the neck pickup by itself. Because of the different pickup Positions 1 and 2 will sound different on the 2 guitars, but positions 4 and 5 will sound the same. Position 3 is completely different on each model (on the SSS it is the middle pickup by itself, on the HSS it is one coil of the bridge pickup combined with the neck pickup).

It sounds like the SSS model has a rosewood fingerboard, while the HSS model a the maple fingerboard.

 

[GWDavis28]

You know it doesn't exit without pictures man!!!

Congrats on the Silo Special, hopefully you'll love it for a long time.

Glenn |B)

 

[tj1]

Heres a pic

 

[DrKev]

Classy and classic!! Well done!

 

[tj1]

Thanks. Now I've got to learn to play the damn thing.

 

[DrKev]

He he! Welcome to the addiction. And welcome to the forum family. Any questions or help you need, we're all here for you to offer sometimes overcomplicated and conflicting advice.

 

[GWDavis28]

He he! Welcome to the addiction. And welcome to the forum family. Any questions or help you need, we're all here for you to offer sometimes overcomplicated and conflicting advice.

Hey that's Koogies line!!! You owe him a nickel, hahahahahahaha

Glenn |B)

 

[John C]

Heres a pic

Nice! My first Silo Special was in vintage burst also, but I went with the tortoise shell pickguard. Sorry; evidently I don't have a photo of it on this laptop; it's on a flash drive somewhere.

I went through a phase where I would get an SSS Silo Special, sell it for something else, then buy another SSS Silo Special. So I wound up owning 3 of them - the vintage burst, then a 2007 Blue Dawn Limited Edition, and then finally a 2010 that I ordered in late 2009 in a color EBMM was getting ready to discontinue (Olive Gold). I don't have any of them any more; I sold the 2010 when I quit playing 25 1/2" scale guitars for several years; I've only recently come back to them.

As I say I didn't load a lot of my old photos on this laptop; and all my old on-line photos were in photobucket so I can't link to them (I'm not paying $300 or whatever it is now for a "full" photobucket account), but I do have a photo of the 2007 Blue Dawn:

 

[GWDavis28]

As I say I didn't load a lot of my old photos on this laptop; and all my old on-line photos were in photobucket so I can't link to them (I'm not paying $300 or whatever it is now for a "full" photobucket account), but I do have a photo of the 2007 Blue Dawn:

John, nice blue damn you had. I had the same problem with PhotoSuckit, I switched and moved all my photos to this:

ImgBB — Upload Image — Free Image Hosting

I bought a tool for like $10 which allows me to move all my photos quick and save them to my hard drive as zip file.

Glenn |B)

 

[John C]

John, nice blue damn you had. I had the same problem with PhotoSuckit, I switched and moved all my photos to this:

ImgBB — Upload Image — Free Image Hosting

I bought a tool for like $10 which allows me to move all my photos quick and save them to my hard drive as zip file.

Glenn |B)

Thanks for the tip; I'll have to check out ImgBB. I'm using Imgur but haven't uploaded all the old photos to there - plus I got a new laptop back in November and just never did move all the photos to the new one's hard drive; I just left them stored on the backup flashdrive.

 

[tbonesullivan]

Good choice! Also remember, you can always replace the bridge pickup with a single-coil sized humbucker if you want some more bite to it.

However, there have been a ton of famous players who use the S-S-S pickup configuration.