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I am hearing that VH may came back to EBMM? it turns out that ole VH got payed back for leaving EBMM,peavey is said to be
not happy with the amount of wolfgangs being sold!:D
now aint that funny! VH left EBMM cause he was not happy with the quota they were making of his sig guitar!
:D :D :D LOL!!!
pay backs are a BIATCH!!!!:p
 
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Interesting thought, but EVH would sure have to eat some major crow if that happened.

Plus ya gotta account for the 5150 amp business that's involved on the other side too....would that deal likewise get tanked if such a move would happen?

(Wonder if the prices on those would suddenly skyrocket if production stopped...I'm seeing them going awful cheap these days after not paying attention for a few years now.)

There's a lot at stake here, so the feasibility of this smells kinda funny to me. Anything's possible in this world, tho, and nothing surprises me anymore.

Where didya hear this rumor?
 
Yeah that rumour sounds a bit out there, anybody know how the 5150s are selling? Maybe Eddie is in a forgiving mood these days, rumour has it Sammy Hagar is back with the band so....

My guess is that he would likely approach another guitar company, Fender, Gibson or Ibanez. Besides, who says EBMM would have Eddie back.
 
A few thoughts...

-Sounds like a whopper of a rumor. The arguements posted here against it being true are good ones IMO. I'd be interested to know how credible the source is too. I would not consider "some guys who work in a guitar store" or any online forum to be credible sources.

-So PV is mad at EVH because Wolves aren't selling??? Why is it his job to market and sell their guitars? He designed it. He plays it. What more can he do for PV?

-In the past year or so they began marketing the EXP version of the Wolfgang while keeping their American Wolfgang production at the same level and they opened the Wolfgang Custom Shop. They've started selling their products through Musicians Friend. Those moves sound like they're expanding their market.

The only place I've heard this rumor is on this board. If it's true, so be it. If it isn't, whatever. I just doubt that it is true. I also find the undertones of these posts interesting. Sounds like EVH is a Fool for being at PV. But if he were back at Music Man he'd be a genius. This isn't logical to me.

I'd argue that he's just pretty darn awesome regardless of what guitar he's playing or has ever played.
 
On a non-guitar note, the Van Halen Newsdesk (www.vhnd.com) is generally a pretty good source of band/band member info.

They're of the opinion Sammy's back for a couple of Greatest Hits Volume 2 bonus tracks, and are claiming knowledge of a summer tour in the works, plus have confirmed a few other previously undisclosed tidbits I've heard from my contacts within the industry.

They've also pointed out that the official VH site has been slightly updated, something that's not happened in a long while.

Lastly, they pointed out a link to a radio station in Iowa that did a couple of surreal interviews with EVH around the holidays where he denied having probs with Hagar before (oh, PAH-leeeeze!)...here's a synopsis page of the second one, with a link where you can download both:

http://www.vhnd.com/articles/040119-01.shtml

Something's a-brewin', kids. May not be what everyone wants, but oh well, EVH is almost 50, and there's been a lot of H20 under the bridge with those guys (unfortunate that it's been loaded with toxic waste for so long). They've been out of it for a while now, and a lot's changed in music business, their personal lives, and the lives of their core audience - jumping back in with the old youthful vigor we all know and loved about them isn't exactly a realistic expectation. In that interview, Ed sounded like he could care less about it all and just be happy raising his kid (stranger things have happened)....

I liked all phases of the band, but would have preferred to see DLR back in on this go-round, personally - the music biz needs the kind of creative kick in the arse that lineup had. Fair Warning had some of the most rippin' tones, tunes, and technique ever committed to tape IMHO....


(And hbucker...love that tagline....I howl every time I see it! :D)
 
Someone posted about this rumor on the Peavey board a week or so ago. AJ from Peavey said it's not true. I wonder where people get this stuff from? EVH hasn't given an interview in who knows how long. There has been no official word about EVH or VH in YEARS and all of a sudden guitar forums all over the net are filled with 'Ed's leaving Peavey and going back to EBMM.' That's this rumor mind you. The other rumors are that Ed's going to Wayne Charvel, Fender, and to 'Strat guitars' in general.

If Peavey is not happy with Ed, I can see why. He did design the Wolfgang, played it on VH3, VH3 tour, and then dropped off the face of the earth. It's been 5 years since EVH has been active in the music world. During that time interest in Wolfgangs have dropped. Outta sight/outta mind. I talked about this very thing with my Peavey dealer a while back. He said he couldn't keep the Wolfgangs in stock till about mid '99. Since then he's practically had to sell them for what he paid for 'em. It helps a great deal if the public actually sees a signature model played by the said artist.

It's been 'rumored' that EVH is very difficult to work with. He's gone through 3 singers, Ray Daniels, Warner Bros, Kramer, EBMM, a wife and so on. EVH, as great of a player as he is, has an ego the size of Texas. I can't imagine EBMM bending down to Ed's whims after the way he slagged them when he moved to Peavey.
 
Thanks Purplesport, good links. Eddie never did seem too lucid at the best of times and that radio interview makes you wonder if he was back drinking.

Oh well, genius has its oddities.

I would like to see VH back together but with Hagar in the band, Roth brings a lot of attitude and energy but I think the music was better with Hagar, since he was more of a musician.

BTW: I missed Eddie's slagging of EBMM, what did he say?
 
(please pardon the long post!)

There's a good thread in the "Music Man Artists" section, including an article quote that I posted (read: retyped word for word) about his comments on EBMM/Peavey, etc., and other takes. Check it out for some insight.

http://www.ernieball.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1089

As far as the reunion rumor, I didn't want to start the topic on it, for fear of getting laughed away from here (like I normally do, but this time with a little more sentiment attached to it ;)) I've been following this all since June, and it's been here and there until the last few months, when things have really picked up steam. Roth was never asked, and it's simply because of his ego. Guess the VH camp still were burned about the MTV awards in '96. From what I've heard, DLR has that opinion of 'he's the star', and a 'my way or the highway' approach. While I was never lucky enough to see VH with DLR, I want to see VH live again, no matter what incaration they put out.

As was mentioned, there's something VH blowing in the wind. And yours truly, being the ever-loving, super-huge, OMG, I love this game! fan that I am of the mighty VH, I am following this with mixed emotions...part of me is going "oh please oh please oh please oh please", while the other part is saying, "until I see a press release from the VH camp, or all 4 of them sitting at a media table talking about it, I'll believe it when I see it", that way I'm not severely let down if it turns out to be a big hoax. (If it is, Im gonna stomp someone, that's for sure... :p)

Pollstar's article sums up pretty much what I've seen overall:

Rumors Abound For Madonna (poster's note: eh, whatever...), Van Halen
Updated 02:45 PST Tue, Mar 16 2004

The tour rumor mill is overflowing with buzz for two high-profile acts. A Van Halen reunion with Sammy Hagar is viewed as a virtual certainty, and a tour announcement for Madonna has been anticipated for months.

The Van Halen rumors got rolling last fall when the band signed with Irving Azoff, longtime manager of Hagar, the Eagles, Journey and others. Around the same time, Hagar announced that he was once again on speaking terms with Alex and Eddie Van Halen. He and the brothers hadn't spoken since parting ways in 1996 after an argument.

The William Morris Agency and Evolution Talent are reportedly now booking North American arenas for a Van Halen excursion this summer.

The group's last outing was in 1998, with former Extreme singer Gary Cherone handling vocal duties. Their last tour with Hagar wrapped in late 1995; the eight-month outing sold well over a million tickets, grossing more than $32 million.
 
yeah i basically just passed it off as RUMOR only anyway.
BUT i think it would be great to see ED playing the EBMM again as well as the wolfs,strats.
I know peavey could not do a thing about ed playing the old frankenstrat since it has no brand name written on it.and for that matter he could just simply put a piece of tape over the MM logo and play his sig EBMM's again without a legal hassle:D
I like both EBMM EVH or axis guitars and also wolfgangs,there are quite different feeling and sounding,so it would not really be like a NO DIFFERENCE in the guitar thing if he did.
he would have three distinct sounding guitars(EBMM,wolfs,frankie)
:cool:
 
Hi Voltage, out of interest, are you saying Eddie cannot play another guitar in public that is not Peavey? Is that part of his contract? I still see Satriani, Vai, etc. saying that they used a Gibson or Fender for certain tracks and Satriani was just seen playing Steve Morse's guitar at a Purple concert.

Is that something specific in Ed's contract with Peavey?
 
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Hi Voltage, out of interest, are you saying Eddie cannot play another guitar in public that is not Peavey? Is that part of his contract? I still see Satriani, Vai, etc. saying that they used a Gibson or Fender for certain tracks and Satriani was just seen playing Steve Morse's guitar at a Purple concert.

Is that something specific in Ed's contract with Peavey?
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I thought there was:confused: i mean why else would anybody NOT play the great EBMM VH sig model live?
hey who knows maybe he will anyway even IF it is part of his endorsment contract.
i also thought a stipulation was to not be seen playing live with another companies product when you endorse another? in the studio it is no hold's barred!:D
 
Most companies that GIVE artists guitars to play generally want to see that artist always playing their guitars publicly. Paul Stanley of Kiss got signed on with Ibanez to make his Iceman model, but when Ibanez found out he was selling the Icemans they GAVE him on EBAY (hilarious), he lost his sponsorship, of course. That's an extreme, but I'm sure Peavey wouldn't care to see EVH playing an Ernie Ball when they've vested so much into him.
 
It all depends on what the agrrement says on the paper.
Generaly though an endorser agrees to play the guitar or use the equipment in an official capacity.
The product is supposed to be seen in public with the endorser in an exclusive manner I believe.
I think Tiger Woods has (had ?) a $ 40 mill deal with Nike to wear Nike sportswear. The agreement prob says that whenever he is at a tournament he has to wear Nike.
Woods is on T.V. the Nike swoosh is seen on top of his head, on his shirt and anywhere else they can put a logo.
People will think "if it's good enough for Woods it HAS to be good enough for me. "
People like to emulate their heros.
Just like the music industry.
It's all about product placement and branding.
I am pretty sure that Peavey would care if EVH was seen playing an Axis on stage.
Inside his own home, who would know?

Aside from being an extreamly talented musicain EVH and his brother Alex are pretty shrewd business people from what I gather from the articles I have read.

BTW it seems whenever I have seen him playing a Peavey it looks like he plays the cheaper Korean one which has a flat top.
The U.S. ones are curved I believe (please correct me if I am wrong on that point). This is totaly in character with him as I have read he prefers playing on a flat top.
 
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BTW it seems whenever I have seen him playing a Peavey it looks like he plays the cheaper Korean one which has a flat top.
The U.S. ones are curved I believe (please correct me if I am wrong on that point). This is totaly in character with him as I have read he prefers playing on a flat top.
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It is a flat top, but not Korean. My buddy has one of these. I believe it's a Wolfgang Special. Great guitar, right up there with Music Mans.
 
The only Wolfgangs made in Korea have a quilted maple flat top. Any Wolf you see that fits this, and only this discription, was made in Korea.

The rest: Wolf Standard, Wolf Special flame top and Wolf Special were all made in the USA. (Mississippi to be exact). The flat top guitar you are referring to EVH playing is a Wolf Special made in the USA.

I presented this rumor to PV for their 2 cents. Their rep said that as far as he knows EVH is free to play any guitar he wants; live on stage or in his living room. In their opinion, these rumors get started by people who refuse to believe that EVH actually plays Wolfgangs and 5150 amps.
 
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thx
wasn't 100 % sure and I didn't feel like looking on the Peavey site.

Anyone got a copy of Ed's agreement with Peavey ?

hehe
 
And just to really clarify the Wolfgang Special comment, one of the Specials EVH used on the VH3 tour had a quilt top. It's NOT the Korean version that came out a few years later. It's equipped with a Sustainer neck pickup and was used for his solo part of the show. I've not seen a single pic of EVH with the QT Korean model. Probably never will.
 
Beating a dead horse further...

There is a difference between endorsing a product and designing the product. In addition to this, it's pretty common knowledge that EVH owns the rights and patents on the Wolfgang. This is a lot different IMO than taking a Strat, putting on some custom graphics and a Tone Zone, then calling it the "Joe Blow custom guitar"! History is littered with these kinds of endorsements and custom guitars that usually don't last longer than the pop bands they're used in.

For the sake of arguement, let's say EVH absolutely hates playing the Wolfgang - which I really doubt. It's still in HIS best interest to play it in front of as many people as possible. Forget PV. He'll personally lose out.

Relationships with artists such as this and the ones EBMM seems to have with it's artists who design guitars for them, really aren't in the same league with other "endorsements" that appear only on paper IMO.
 
Please have mercy on the dead nag

Remember he is a guitarist.

We all play different guitars from time to time

I think i am finished flogging so I'll flog off now
 
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