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Someone over at "another bass related forum" called the Bongo ugly again, which caused a great uproar, as usual, and there were arguments about basswood, why it was used, etc etc etc. I'd formulated a response and while I was typing, the thread was closed. I felt empty, so I post it here because I can, dammit:

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Thanks for the link, though I'm not inclined to take a sales reps home pages as gospel

(This was about my Bongo Info Page.)

Fair enough, although that page went up long before I was involved in any official manner with EBMM. I was just a Bongo owner, taken with the design, tone, the whole package - and excited that after so long, EBMM was giving us something quite different from the Stingray and Sterling.

The information about basswood and the reasons why it was used came from an ex-employee who definitely had no reason to attempt to glorify the process or why things happened the way they did.

Since then, I've had a number of conversations which independently verified the initial statements from the ex-employee. Which is - basswood was used because (a) the electronics package is fairly hefty and the basswood gave some weight relief and (b) it just sounded good. Other woods were used during the design process, some of which we've seen, but basswood fit the bill.

I believe, as is obvious by my many posts here (again, before I sold the things) that the Bongo is an absolutely fabulous bass, and represents a great value. I've compared the Bongo to many, many basses, some costing a great deal more, and the bass does a much better job - TO MY EARS.

I respect people who've played the bass and decided it's not for them. There are a few basses I don't care for, but people play them, so there must be some sort of personal preference thing going on, eh?

Sure, the "toilet seat" reference is old. Hell, it was old before the Bongo ever saw the light of day because people said the same thing about the Stingrays. Well, go nuts, but don't expect everyone to fall over themselves laughing or offer you a job as a stand-up or anything.

But anyway, the wood thing has been verified with Big Wheels within the company and by people with nothing to gain, so believe it or not, it's okay with me. It's not an argument I particularly feel motivated to join in, usually, although this thread has been (mostly) respectful and interesting and thoughtful, so why not?

Sterling Ball said "I didn't think everyone would get it, so don't let it bother you." I think that's good advice. I still occasionally feel like defending the bass because again, I think it simply rocks, but if you don't get it? Well, then you don't.

Nothing I say will change that. Hell, I just like talking about them, usually, and any excuse is a good one, whether I'm selling them or not. And believe me, I ain't selling many on (bass forum name withheld).

Like - none, exactly.

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This is not an attempt to bash the other forum and no bashing will be tolerated. I'm interested in YOUR thoughts on these issues, though.

Jack
 

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Well LB, you know how I feel about the Bongos now!

And yes, I was guilty of not getting it...making the jokes, etc.

I have no problem with the basswood body, since the electronics do the job nicely. Plus, I've grown (rather quickly) to love the looks (given the right color scheme).

Also, it's a lot lighter on my back and shoulders than my Sabre.

Hell, I can't wait to see the look on my fellow jammer's faces tomorrow night when I break this badass out! :eek: :confused: :D

Sometimes, it's good to be wrong.
 
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Yep. I saw said thread. I even participated before I decided I had better things to do like pound nails into a 2x4 with my member.
 

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I participated, and hoped I would help get the thread closed. Sorry, theres great guys like Joshua and Ken there, but the ugly Bongo thing has gotten VERY old. I snapped when I read that last thread.
 

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That thread was pointless. I refrained from getting involved because I had nothing good to add. Nothing we could of said could of swayed that idiot's opinion. TB is a lot like life, sometimes you run into people that just suck and that get joy from pissing people off, nothing you can do about it.

Andrew
 

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Yeah, another pointless thread but I was glad to see all the support for the bongo. Some people wouldnt know a great bass if it ran up to them and said "hey I'm a great bass!" oh well.
 

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The Bongo is simply a state of mind. Like you said, Jack, you either get it or you don't (I don't get the Rumblefish but I do appreciate them and their sound). That being said, you don't have to "like" the Bongo's looks to like its sound and playibility. If you can't get past the looks that's ok, but evaluate the bass, AS A WHOLE, on its total package (again, I bring up the Fish, don't like the looks, but they sound and play good. Would I buy one... probably not, but in its own right it is a nice instrument). And since when does wood type dictate how good a bass is. I have owned some table tops and I paid through the nose for them. Basswood suits the purpose, doesn't impact the looks (due to the solid finishes) and, more importantly, it sounds good with the total package (in fact it sounds twice as good as my 2 table tops for well over half the cash).

I just get frustrated with people who look at the surface but don't look/listen at/to the "whole" bass. More $ doesn't mean better. Type of wood doesn't mean better. They are just different - and thank God for the choices we now have (because I remember growing up only being able to find Fndr and Peavey basses in and around Columbus).

Rambling aside, "Amen Jack!"
 

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the bongo is a bass guitar, i've got a catalog that proves it in writing (if it's written it must be true).

I personally think it's a rediculous look, but i'm getting one anyway, cause they rock and rediculous suits me.

and if i had my druthers, i'd vote for an ash bongo in emerald burst with gold hardware, big pimping.

think about it, emerald burst (green in center, black on edges), gold hardware, ebony board, no inlays, black glossy neck, inlaid logo on headstock (abalone), single humbucker, no PG..

no longer just big pimping, this is oversize novelty pimping...

make me one from the sky, i command it!


not that there's anything wrong with basswood, i just prefer the tonal response of ash..
 

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I love the Bongo and I'm from the 6 string side. There was a time I wondered why EB didn't make a Bongo Guitar.... then I was fortunate enough to see THAT abortion...... Regardless, I have been pleading with my bass player ("I'll turn down when you play a Bongo") to give his "thumb" a rest and go try out the Bongo.
 

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ive written maybe 3 replies - none of which ive posted.

The Bongo looks different and you cant deny that. Some will like it some wont; hopefully some of these folks will play it and love the feel and sound and not care about how it looks.

what pisses me off is the basswood thing. in my experience as a "computer" guy i run into a lot of random people with little or no knowledge that claim that "xyz is bad". They dont understand the innerworkings and dont have the experience to realize that a component may or may not be the right thing for the "job" depending on A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS.

So in the "guitar" world people have somewhere, somehow heard that basswood has a bad rep and take it as gospel - problem is they dont understand anything and just took something they heard as "the truth". I figure if Dudley and BP say its the right wood for the job then it is - i dont build guitars, i dunno squat about wood.

People have to stop pretending they're experts in a field that they're not experts in ... and furthermore they need to stop spreading bogus info and just stick to their own area of expertise. somehow i doubt that will ever happen tho
 

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Firstly, I liked the Bongo from day one, and have defended it myself on many an occasion. I have the highest opinion of all the EBMM products, and while I went with a 2 band 'Ray, I could easily see me rockin' the Bongo.

That said, the thread was started by some 17 year old kid who obviously had seen that "Bongos are ugly" threads get a lot of play and wanted some action. I can't believe anyone would give his opinion enough weight to warrant any emotion.

Travis - imo you shouldn't leave TB. I saw the goodbye thread, and I think you should still come by the site. You've got good experience that might help others as they go down the bass road. Don't let the haters get to ya...

And finally, Bongos get a bad rap? Y'all should try playing a Hamer!

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What I think is BP did not really need any of us to tell him Bongos would sale.

Jack became the ultimate salesman before he was a salesman.


Yeah the Bongo is different and only so many in this world will accept that without proof.

What the world will do is learn slowly.

Hence tons of Bongo sales

Specially since you Lord Bongo are selling them.

IMUAHO

tk
 

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You can't learn anything if you believe you already know everything...

And there are people out there that truly believe they already know everything...

Me? I bought a Bongo! :D
 

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Oh, boy - now I just can't wait to log in over there! :eek: I had a feeling the thread would turn into a real train wreck.

Travis, you're not really leaving, are you?
 

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Hey guys
the internet is a chance for some very intelligent people to exchange ideas, and on the other end of the spectrum a place for misguided souls to fire without knowledge or fear of retribution.
One of the problems people face with me being on the forum is that if I think someone is wrong or unreasonable I dont corporate speak them As Jack Nicholson said in a few good men "You cant handle the truth"


These people who chastise basswood couldnt spot it with a microscpoe and have no point of reference due to the fact that we haven't shown anything but basswood. How can you say categorically that you prefer xxxx wood when in an active bass all bets are off?

I dont really care if some dont like the bongo.....some people dont like ferraris too....I love the fact that each and every day goes by someone eats their words regarding the Bongo and we never rub it in.

Here is the bottom line..... I have been there and done that from here to there and back and dont need to respond to people who are keyboard commandos with no pedigree.

As I have said before the world is about choices...Bongo or not.. you have to question the size of ones head and their priorities in life that in this day and age with all going on in the world to make their cause in life the condemnation of a particular musical instrument.

Its kind of like arm wrestling with a cadaver.........

night night
 

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Big Poppa said:
keyboard commandos


Best line ever.

The Bongo, in being so innocently and modestly amazing as an instrument stands for a lot as far as I'm concerned. I think it's a bit hard for people to have faith in a company when so many have done nothing but to try and make us buy their products based on false promises. I think people find it hard to accept the fact that perhaps Ernie Ball Music Man Genuinely want to make great instruments for great players.

If you've ever tried to antagonize somebody, and they've only been cool about things, chances are you've gotten frustrated.

I think it's the same way with how Non-Bongoloids will attack Bongoloids. I've never seen anybody defend the Bongo by putting down another instrument, instead, they proudly stick by how much they appreciate there instrument. In my eyes they're avoiding sinking to the level of the attacker and it's very big of them.

So power to ya Jack, Sterling and any and all Bongoloids.

Now, I'm not entirely sure if anything I've said has made any sense or really has much relevance. I'm sorry if it hasn't, I've had a glass of wine and am feeling poetic. It was, however, something that felt important to say.
 

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If the bongos with ash and alder (etc) were just too heavy, what did they sound like? tonal differences with these guys?


I know the active makes all the difference, but i will say truthfully, I love the response of a denser wood, it's heavier, and I like the way the strings feel on it. does that make sense or no?

maybe it's mental? i donno, i'm not a doctor, but i'll tell you what didn't kill her, smoking.


come on...
 

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the bongo is really one of those "in time you'll get it" things. its a damn fine bass and in 10 years when its a staple in peoples' arsennal no one will remember that it was once second guessed based upon BS like "its looks crazy".
 

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Wouldn't it be nice to have one of every different bass? :D

I hope I dont go off-topic here, but I've NEVER owned a F3nder in my life, but I'd like to do so one day. Same goes for a Sterling, SR5, WorWeeek Tarmb and Yammy Pettitucci and many others! It's a fun journey this way, and i cant imagine sticking to one instrument forever. For others, who think they have found 'their' sound, its them. Nobody can dispute that for sure, but it'll be mighty stupid of them to tell others what to think regarding basses i.e. Bongos. :eek:
 

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I think I need to get around to trying one of these bongos......just we never see them in this quiet part of the UK - Norfolk......my SR5 still makes people stop and stare.

Still, and having never played one, it looks grand and innovation is the best way forward for all of us at the end of the day - or else we would still be using something like my Czech 1910 double bass........ :)
 
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