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Big Poppa

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I have been doing guitar and bass design for officially 32 years. That doesn't count whatever I did with Leo.

I have tried to offer players different takes on guitars and basses...from the safe like the Sterling to the disruptive like the Bongo bass and now the St Vincent.

I have never shown disrespect to Fender and Gibson's designs...or anyones for that matter. I may have called the lack of R and D or the need for a custom shop...but never the designs. I believe that the world is a better place with more guitar and bass choices.All I have tried to do is to create tools for artists and more choices.

No lets fold the internet into it....A great tool for us to communicate..but really a very very mean and sometime discouraging factor. If you are working on something that you know is different you have to have the skin of an elephant or disconnect...it's too much negative input...it's overwhelming sometimes. I know the drill and know the barbs are going to come but I try to focus on the player that says..."That really works for me" When I work with an artist now there are seriously hours of prepping comments to handle the negativity.It's much worse that how their music is received. I don't understand how cruel the comments can get....if you don't like it fine...nobody took your favorite away, be nice......relax.

This year we did things that just wadded the panties of so many people. "How dare I make a split pick up bass!"(our biggest reatailers asked for it. I thought that we could offer a different take on the genre.) "What is he thinking making a JP with a Floyd" (Cause JP wanted it.) "Why did he work with St Vincent?"(Cause she is a brilliant and creative force)"Whats with the Sting Ray Guitar"( I wanted to fix one of Leo's rare failures) "the Cutlass..."(See Split pickup comments) "Why did he discontinue the XXXXXX?"(Because nobody bought them and every once in awhile you have to clean house)

As I said above I know the drill and most of the time it comes with the territory but what about the next generation of designers? How can you move the instrument forward if you are not allowed to offer choices?

Here is the beauty of social media and where I get even if it is starting to get to me. I click on their Instagram or Facebook profile and usually I have a few laughs...How can they call this guitar ugly? Look at their pictures! Look at their band! Sometimes even their dog is ugly. glass houses time for me.

Now don't get all worked up but think about about how the camera phone has killed spontaneity...the bashers are affecting the creative design process.

This year we introduced 8 ground up models....we have a bunch on the drawing board.....It's my hope that enough people will like to have another new choice....enough so we can grow and be here in ten years.
 
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YandasMusic

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Keep your head up Big Poppa, Ernie Ball Music Man is a great company doing great things. In my experience, your probably onto something big when the naysayers start coming out of the woodwork.

To quote Dave Ramsey, "If your broke friends are making fun of your financial plan, your probably doing something right."
 

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Nice post Pops. Keep doing what you guys/gals are doing. Always going to be negatives out there, but, many positives will out weight them.
 

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Take it with a grain of salt. Its a bigger problem when they stop talking!!!

Like Adam said - EBMM is a great company doing great things and one I am very delighted to have discovered!

Carry on sir.
 

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The interesting thing here is that it's not JUST the Internet at fault. We are becoming, frankly, a sh!tty society where it is OK, even expected, to treat other people like crap. I blame it on reality TV. My wife and daughters are in the living room watching a show called "Dance Moms", and in the show literally these mothers are catfighting and putting down each other's kids in the most disheartening way. AND THIS IS CALLED ENTERTAINMENT. MY CHILDREN ARE WATCHING THIS AND THINK IT'S NORMAL. Now, I'm a NY Italian so I have seen my share of ball breaking and Italian families can be pretty blunt, but I'm watching this show and I'm horrified. I turned the TV off and made my kids go read a book, and my wife and I proceeded to have an argument about this stupid show.

[REMOVED POLITICS]

Then you have TMZ which is basically all about exposing celebrities at their worst. The list goes ON and ON and ON.

Our society used to be about ME working hard to try to do something BETTER than you. What it has become is ME sh!t talking you, breaking you down, disrespecting you, yet I have nothing to show for myself. I'm not better. But it makes me FEEL better if I chop you down. And that way I can be lazy and not actually work to achieve something myself, I can get my satisfaction in the form of chopping you down.

Ugh. Makes me sick.

On the new EBMM offerings: The Cutlass and Sting Ray guitar aren't really my cup of tea because I am less interested in the '70s retro thing that they are celebrating. SO I KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT. What a novel concept! I still recognize that they're well-built, well-executed instruments that will probably sell a boatload. But I don't need to put them down just for the sake of being a jerk, and who the hell cares what I think, anyway! LOL.

A couple years ago when the Majesty was released and everyone went into criticism mode, I admit I was a little thrown by the styling and game-changing features. I resisted the temptation to trash talk it and unload my POV on everyone. Over time, the design grew on me and I have had my Majesty Artisan Marrone for a couple months now. I have 105 EBMM guitars and I have not touched 104 of them in the past month because my Majesty is THE SH!T. Glad I didn't trash talk it before, or folks would call me a hypocrite. ;)

Bottom line, Sterling: If you really sucked at what you do (like some jerks would have you believe), you'd be out of business a long time ago. The fact that EBMM continues to innovate and grow and succeed is all the proof you need.



 
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dalto

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I know I am new here, but it seems like if you didn't do all those things people would criticize you for being too stagnant or pumping out the same guitars over and over again.

Some people will always dislike things are different than what they wanted or were expecting. In the end there isn't really anything you can do about it.

I think a mistake that designers(in all markets/products) make too often is trying to cater to their detractors. The sad reality is that you can never make everyone happy.

What brought me personally to EBMM is that it felt to me like you were trying to do something different than pumping out clones of popular guitars.
 

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Sterling - there are a lot of people out there in cyber-land who talk out of both sides of their mouth. The same people who post negative comments about EBMM's models that push the boundaries are often also the same people who bash other builders for "just copying the F models and never trying anything new". I don't think any firm could please those people.

Keep on doing things differently - the world needs choices, and there will always be those who prefer the unique to the ordinary.
 

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I think its so much fun to come and here and see the new designs and all the new things that happens. It is refreshing to see new models and new colours and new artists signing on. For me all the other companies just got boring and its just not overly exciting to see whats comimg out. I'm not a fan of all the EBMM guitars but most of them I am.

In my musical career it has been the Y2D and this company that made me really like guitar again and want to practise.
The morses that I have play amazing and are beautifully built.

I am a bar manager and all i do now is watch people on their phones all day sitting at a bar no ones talks anymore really and I noticed people now are just way more mean to each other ,however from 1997 to around 2007 a bar was a bar ,people were talking having fun , flirting ,you know bar stuff. Now its just kinda blah and all i hear is "do you see this on facebook ,instagram or whatever the popular thing is.I persoanlly don't have any this forum is my only form of social media and most everyone here has been great over the years. I enjoy coming here and seeing all the new advances and cool thing EBMM comes up with.
Sterling and eveyone at EBMM keep up the good work you make guitars fo r me exciting and fresh.
 

Big Poppa

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thanks I wasnt whining just offering a perspecitve and I do like clinking on the especially harsh ones profiles


Dibart could you please edit the political aspect out of the thread.....this is ano politics zone!
 

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Some great responses here (Dibart - you crack me up, buddy, with your spot-on post) - so just adding my name to the "we got your back Big Poppa" list.

You keep making them and let the market decide.

Haters just gonna hate! :)

Kevin
 

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Sincere thanks from a very satisfied JP15 owner (my first Music Man, btw). I look forward to what you will keep innovating and introducing, as I can guarantee this JP15 is just the first of many!
 

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Sterling, I think the thing I really want to say about Ernie Ball as a company is this:

I'm in the middle of recording an album. The concept and the music for this record have been in the works for 10 years. Let me repeat that, for 10 years I've been working on this project off an on when I had the time, energy and money.

So it's safe to say this record matters to me. My current band matters to me. It matters enough to work overtime to buy the PA, to pay the insurance premiums so everyone's gear is covered. To buy amps when the bass players gets destroyed and to make sure we have backups. It's worth every moment of frustration in the studio and every drop of sweat in rehearsal.

So with 10 years of my life give or take wrapped up in this thing, what company can you possibly trust to give you the finest instrument that fits you like a glove and delivers every time you touch it? Yours. I can't endorse your product to anyone better than that. And let me state for the record that my move to EBMM guitars was based on need, not want. I needed things from a guitar and your products delivered. It wasn't about whose signature was on the headstock.

I've literally sold all my Gibsons. I now own a Y2D, a Dark Lord, and last night I pulled the trigger on a Reflex. You keep building amazing instruments, and people like me will continue to put our money where our mouths are.

And by the way, thanks.
 

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Rather than quote all the prior posts so far, I will just say:
I CONCUR!!

I'm an old guy now (mid 50's), and the state and current direction of our society is discouraging. And sometimes downright embarrasing.
However, I'm often reminded that in spite of the dirt and trash that 'the media' promotes as popular, there are still a lot of intelligent and caring people in this world. (There's an older Mike Keneally song called "Beautiful" that illustrates this point very well...)

The fact that Stirling, the top man of EBMM, is willing to post on this forum and speak freely about his personal feelings (which he often does), impresses the heck out of me.

Get 'em Stirling!!!!
 

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Rather than quote all the prior posts so far, I will just say:
I CONCUR!!

I'm an old guy now (mid 50's), and the state and current direction of our society is discouraging. And sometimes downright embarrasing.
However, I'm often reminded that in spite of the dirt and trash that 'the media' promotes as popular, there are still a lot of intelligent and caring people in this world. (There's an older Mike Keneally song called "Beautiful" that illustrates this point very well...)

The fact that Stirling (Sturling), the top man of EBMM, is willing to post on this forum and speak freely about his personal feelings (which he often does), impresses the heck out of me.

Get 'em Stirling (Sturling)!!!!

Fixed!
(wink and a smile)
 
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...wadded the panties of so many people.

This year we introduced 8 ground up models....we have a bunch on the drawing board.....It's my hope that enough people will like to have another new choice....enough so we can grow and be here in ten years.

You said wadded!


BP, successful people and organizations have the courage to move forward despite criticisms and failures along the way... I mean look at Donald Trump!! ...LOL.

I love your stuff. Been playing it since 1996. I would not have a shrine dedicated to your stuff in my home if I did not believe in the craftsmanship of your products . Keep on keeping on! Wishing you and your organization the best!

-Flash


 

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Big Poppa, in many ways I feel your pain. The irony of the situation is that the same animal (internet/social media) that gives people the opportunity to be A**holes is also the same vehicle that's lets me write this to you now! I've been very grateful for message boards and things of that nature. Unfortunately it is our society that is changing. I went through 12 years of catholic school and always rebelled against religion. You know what? As I watch Christianity get sucked out of this country I thought it would be a good thing. Well its not. And no I don't go to church or anything else like that, I'm just using my eyes and ears and seeing what's happening. People are selfish, nasty and surely opinionated. These were the things religion warned us about and we laughed at it but now I have a feeling they were right. We were taught to treat people with respect. Remember, "if you don't have something nice to say about someone, don't say anything at all"!! Those days are gone and the funny thing is a lot of the people who act like that are usually stupid, or don't have much talent, but they have a computer and a phone!! Now I'm for freedom of speech so it's just become something we have to deal with. Long story short, Keep doing what you've been doing your whole life BP!! I'm sorry that you get a lot of negative comments, but again that's what society is turning into. I'm a victim!!! Or I can say whatever I want!! It's only going to get worse. In the end I appreciate that you try different things design wise. It's refreshing!! Not every guitar company tries to do that. Just keep on being Ernie Ball Music Man!!!
 

Big Poppa

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My post wasnt to create sympathy I know the game...its not my first rodeo...its just the crowds are meaner...Its like watching tennis crowds turn into rugby crowds... I have nothin against rugby

But the real hook with social media...if you are going to fire a very cutting personal comment about a guitar make sure that your mullet is clean and your wife misses the girls of wal mart photo shoot...It was sort of funny. I click on their post and say "You think my guitar is ugly?, No wonder!" by the way Im not body shaming or bullying or and of the other sensitive conditions that exist....ahhahahah
 
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