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Paging Jon: String Tension and Bongo Necks

Jon (or anyone else with thoughts on this matter - although I will of course bow to Jon's superior knowledge and ability to answer with one word):

A friend of mine has a Bongo 4 banger. He initially had DRs on it and all was well. He brought it over here yesterday and had re-strung it with TI Super Alloys, which are pretty high tension strings (think Rotos).

I'm not Mister Expert Bass Set-Up Guy or anything, but I do my own and have always had compliments on how well my basses play. In fact, on my Desert Gold Bongo 4, I had some problems with TI Flats - not enough tension to pull the neck into proper relief. I solved that problem by loosening the truss rod all the way and tuning all the strings up about 3 steps past normal and letting the neck acquire some natural bow, then re-tuned and all was well with standard sort of truss adjustments.

Anyway.

I could not get the bow out of the neck of this Bongo. The truss rod was cranked up pretty good when he got here, so I was reticent to go much further. I loosened the strings and gave it a 1/4 turn, then back to pitch...not much improvement.

Loosened again, another 1/4 turn, back to pitch, same thing.

Hmmm.

The only thing I could come up with is to shim the neck a bit and change the angle, which he wasn't really willing to do. I was glad, because I didn't want to do that unless it was my bass, you know? But I would have.

The good news is he's not married to these strings and plans to go back to the DRS or something with less tension, but my question is - how do you approach this kind of issue?

Jack

(BTT in case Jon comes home and checks the forum.)
 
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Hey, it's not your bass right?

Loosen (or tighten) the trussrod and bend it over your knee. Just do it carefully and watch the neck. Be gentle, but firm. Make sure it doesn't go past perfectly straight. Not for the faint of heart, but it works. Of course, YMMV. Not responsible for any damage. Then again, it's not even my friend.
 
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Knee-Bend Operation carried out by owner. (I won't do this to basses that aren't mine.)

I really don't know what's up with this bass, but he's switching the strings back to lower tension DRs and we shall see.
 

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bovinehost said:
Jon (or anyone else with thoughts on this matter - although I will of course bow to Jon's superior knowledge and ability to answer with one word):

A friend of mine has a Bongo 4 banger. He initially had DRs on it and all was well. He brought it over here yesterday and had re-strung it with TI Super Alloys, which are pretty high tension strings (think Rotos).

I'm not Mister Expert Bass Set-Up Guy or anything, but I do my own and have always had compliments on how well my basses play. In fact, on my Desert Gold Bongo 4, I had some problems with TI Flats - not enough tension to pull the neck into proper relief. I solved that problem by loosening the truss rod all the way and tuning all the strings up about 3 steps past normal and letting the neck acquire some natural bow, then re-tuned and all was well with standard sort of truss adjustments.

Anyway.

I could not get the bow out of the neck of this Bongo. The truss rod was cranked up pretty good when he got here, so I was reticent to go much further. I loosened the strings and gave it a 1/4 turn, then back to pitch...not much improvement.

Loosened again, another 1/4 turn, back to pitch, same thing.

Hmmm.

The only thing I could come up with is to shim the neck a bit and change the angle, which he wasn't really willing to do. I was glad, because I didn't want to do that unless it was my bass, you know? But I would have.

The good news is he's not married to these strings and plans to go back to the DRS or something with less tension, but my question is - how do you approach this kind of issue?

Jack

(BTT in case Jon comes home and checks the forum.)


Yes :D
 

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Crank that sucker Jack! Sometimes the truss rods feel really tight and it would seem like you are hurting something by going further, but its OK. I will make this promise. If something happens like the truss rod anchor at the headstock end breaks as a result of you "cranking that sucker"( a technical term) I promise we will replace said neck. Howzat?
 

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that's a gutsy promise jon. im getting scared just thinking about doing that to my bass. but my bass isnt an mm. if it was that would be a different story. especially if you made that promise for me. but thats just another piece of proof about music man's devotion to customer service.
 

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skabassist13 said:
that's a gutsy promise jon. im getting scared just thinking about doing that to my bass. but my bass isnt an mm. if it was that would be a different story. especially if you made that promise for me. but thats just another piece of proof about music man's devotion to customer service.


Not too gutsy Travis....I just know how they are made, and if for some reason it wont do what it is supposed to, EB/MM will make it right.
 

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i see. knowing how theyre made could certainly help know how far you can push it. but thats what you do for a living so i guess you should know huh? :D as for EB/MM making it right, thats a given.
 

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Jon, my pal Ben lives a couple of hours from here (Paris, Texas - remember "The Last Picture Show"?) and I have advised him on this.

I'll email you re some thoughts I have. Believe me when I tell you that you rock, sir.

Thanks. Updates when available.
 

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Jon, I sincerely thank you in advance for any sort of assistance you may be able to lend on this matter. I've taken everyone's advice and tried said methods. Notes fret out below the fifth to make for decent playability above that. If I raise the action, I'm back to square one. This is one of my most favorite-ist basses in all the world, and I want heem to work good, you know. These Superalloys are awesome strings, but my particular Bongo neck doesn't feel the same way. I think you could launch an arrow about 400 yards off the E-string. The truss rod is muy tight and refuses to go further. I am afraid to go near it, lest it start dancing around by itself. Other Bongo owners with Superalloys have reported good playability. Thankee, sir!
 

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I've used TI Superalloys on both my fretted and fretless Bongos, and I really liked the way they sounded, and played, on both basses. I only took them off the fretted when it was getting any gigtime and replaced them with Sadowsky flats (great strings, also!).

I absolutely love the way they work on the fretless, though. It's a bummer they didn't work out for you on your Bongo.
 

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An email was sent to Jack, to send to Ben who will call us to arrange the return of his bass.

:cool:
 

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jongitarz said:
An email was sent to Jack, to send to Ben who will call us to arrange the return of his bass.

:cool:

You're just going to have that damn devil dog stab it with the hypo, aren't you?

"Vee have wayz of making you vork, Meesteer Truss Rod."
 
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