EBMM Cases - Fit issues ?

[Dizzy]

Musicman Cases - Fit issues ?

It occurs to me each time I open up the case of my Axis or Silo that the Poly-shell cases seem to be a "one size (almost) fits all" type.

The problem being that the cases don't seem to reflect the exceptional class & craftsmanship of the instruments they protect ?
The OUTER of the cases is awesome, no problems there, BUT :

My Axis and Silo fit loosely into the cases, and will readily move within the case when it's closed.

My older EVH case is a better fit.

It becomes more evident when I open both of my "other" guitar's cases and find them sitting very snuggly in a tailored inner-case with nice little compartments etc.... There's no possibility of movement, rubbing etc.

Just wondered if there's a philosophy behind it all (economic, ergonomic ??).

Just seems to me like they're not quite worthy enough to hold these fine instruments !

Comments ?

 

[roburado]

I was wondering if the cases were one-size-fits-all too, but it was for a different reason. I was contemplating getting one for my 20th for portability, because the G&G case weighs a ton.

 

[Jamie]

I agree with you, i have a old rg prestige that sits in its case perfectly, no movement atoll.
when i got my silo i thought it would of came in something a bit more secure.

 

[Bungo]

'Ello

I asked the very same question shortly after I joined up. Answer in this thread.

http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/13669-should-my-case-snug.html?highlight=case

 

[roburado]

'Ello

I asked the very same question shortly after I joined up. Answer in this thread.

http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/13669-should-my-case-snug.html?highlight=case

Oh yeah. I forgot about that thread.

 

[Jamie]

new cases, they should give us big tweed bad boys.

 

[roburado]

I thought that the case of my 20th would be tweed. Actually, I'm glad it's tolex. Gives me more confidence that it won't tear.

 

[Dizzy]

'Ello

I asked the very same question shortly after I joined up. Answer in this thread.

http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/13669-should-my-case-snug.html?highlight=case

Ahhhh...... ok.
Checked it out.

BUT ! Reasoning defies normal theories ........

Ok, a guitar inside a case that is SNUGLY fitted will have the force distributed along the ENTIRE surface area that supports it.

With a guitar is in a case that has limited points of contact, the force of any impact will be concentrated on the section of the guitar that hits the case first. This can also apply forces at non-desirable angles to necks etc.

Force = Pressure x Area.

Therefore in my (educated) opinion a guitar housed in a case that supports the entire guitar is safest.

Simple test :

A: Get an egg, put it in a can lined with foam......... shake it hard.......... egg breaks.

B: Get the same can, fill it with enough foam to prevent the egg from moving ......... shake it hard ........ egg is ok.

Why ? because the movement creates a DIRECT impact to the egg (or guitar) within the can itself.
Yes, the immobilised egg may have had a bit of a ride, but it ain't broken !

The theory of having give is flawed.
In any protective housing or case, the give is in the housing itself - NOT via providing movement to the protected items.
i.e. crumple zone of a car.... the OUTER of the car gives. The purpose of seatbelts and airbags is to prevent the passengers from moving as much as possible.

A poor fitting helmet also offers FAR less protection than a good fit.

The FOAM etc within the case is designed to ABSORB the impact by providing "give" by being relatively soft/pliable.

All of this theory aside, just do the Egg and Can test.
It'll change your mind about your case.

I vote we re-open this discussion !

 

[PeteDuBaldo]

The airbags and seatbelts still allow a bit of movement inside the car, otherwise in a car accident you'd have some nasty g-forces with nowhere to go applied to your body.

No protection = bad
Restrictive protection = bad
Comfortable protection = good.




Man that sounds like an ad for rubbers.

 

[Dizzy]

The airbags and seatbelts still allow a bit of movement inside the car, otherwise in a car accident you'd have some nasty g-forces with nowhere to go applied to your body.

No protection = bad
Restrictive protection = bad
Comfortable protection = good.




Man that sounds like an ad for rubbers.

Yeah, but the seatbelts and airbags are designed to stop you from moving as much as possible, as it's impractical (and unsafe ! ) to be totally immobile when driving !. That's why motorsports vehicles have full harnesses and wrap around seats - safety is #1 priority, comfort is a close 2nd.

Those g-forces (impact) are designed to be absorbed by the shell of the car itself.

Anyways, the car thing is just an example..... different situations, but the principle remains.
Just see what 3-4 inches of movement will do to the egg in the can.

 

[roburado]

Hmmm...interesting debate.

Maybe, customer service has information regarding damage inside the SKB vs. the G&G cases. Or maybe, BP has summarized that information/empirical experience already.

 

[Roxy]

Interesting theories. I guess each builder decides what works best for them, and cost may figure into it too. My Fender/Charvel cases offer some movement like the EB's, but my Gibsons and Ibanez cases are instrument specific and the guitars fit snug. PRS fit snug too.

I personally like the hardshells over tweeds, and the guitar shaped cases over the rectangular models. But, the EB case is one of my favorites due to its light and compact size, and overall protection.

I've never cared for gig bags, and won't use them. Too risky.

 

[Jamie]

I would not use gig bags either, all it takes is a nasty fall or to hit it off something and you could do damage.
always protect you balls!!

 

[Big Poppa]

DIzz you can buy a custom case. I hardly thingk that we can be accused of skimping buying a SKB case. If it were up to me I would not offer cases at all. It is a pain in the butt. We make zero margin have to warehouse 2000 of them and most shipping problems are caused by the case.

If we flet that the customer wanted to pay the premium for a different case for each model than we would offer it.

 

[ibanez2005]

The case that my Stingray came in is exceptional, but then again so are the Fender and Ibanez cases that i own, good job all round.

 

[candid_x]

Not a hard case, not a gig bag. I prefer using these while traveling, and only use the stock cases to store guitars. Tons of storage, snug fit, light weight, heavy grip, good protection, padded backpack strap (should you need it), plus they don't scuff up your amp or other gear it rides against.

Buy Kaces Boutique Polyfoam Electric Guitar Case online at Musician's Friend

 

[francric]

Also it's a guitar, not an egg...........................

 

[Larry]

To have the guitar move is far better than to have it be locked in super snug case with little movement. Example... You jump off a 3 foot high platform. You bend your knees when you land. Thus allowing movement in your body to absorb the initial force of the impact. Your fine no big deal. You jump off the same platform this time you lock your knees.. Painful. Now for every example a counter example can be made and different variables and can come in to play. But I think that the EBMM cases are one of the best cases avaliable I've yet to have problem with them.

 

[Tim O'Sullivan]

I personally prefer the Hiscox cases, but the EBMM case lets you keep the whammy bar on when you close the lid.

 

[Spudmurphy]

Not a hard case, not a gig bag. I prefer using these while traveling, and only use the stock cases to store guitars. Tons of storage, snug fit, light weight, heavy grip, good protection, padded backpack strap (should you need it), plus they don't scuff up your amp or other gear it rides against.

Buy Kaces Boutique Polyfoam Electric Guitar Case online at Musician's Friend

My mate had one of these with his OLP - nice cases they are too!

Tim Sullivan has the right idea too, the Hiscox is the finest case that I have out of my Les Paul, EB and Tele cases.

If I had to say anything detrimental about EB it would be the case I had with the guitar and maybe BP has a point when he says that maybe we should buy our own. I guess I prefer shaped cases to oblong ones.

I have tried my AL in the Hiscox case and there is play (solved by the placement of a folded cloth) and as Tim says, the trem arm has to be taken off (hey Tim I thought you had hardtails! ).