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Resolute

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Recently, I have discovered I am very disappointed in my playing. My skill level is passable, but no where close to where it should be for the 7ish years I have been "playing". (I use "" because 3 of those were just goofing around)

I play in an incredibly talented band that has been together for quite some time, and we are maturing as a band almost every practice. We play shows pretty much every weekend, ands sometimes 3-4 shows a week.

I have great gear; 2 EBMM basses (SR4H, Bongo 4H), a mesa m6 carbine head, EB cabs, and an svt cab.

My tone is frequently complimented, my timing is solid, my dynamics I pride it. All this sounds great to the average person. To myself, and to other musicians, i'm just "ok".

I'm self taught. Never had a single lesson. In my small town the only bass lessons are for new players, and they are taught by guitar players rather than true bassists. My technique is terrible, my theory knowledge is zero, and other than playing root notes with the occasional little walking note, or some simple chords, I know nothing else to play.

All this to say, I need help. Do you fine knuckleheads have any input on books, dvds, online resources, or anything else that would be good to tech me technique, theory, and exercises?(and honestly the cheaper the better at the moment, as money is tight while my wife finishes college) I really have no idea how to practice, other than noodling around, and to practice my parts in our set. I really want to expand my playing and my ability and have decided to get serious about it.

Thanks for the help guys!
 

TheAntMan

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I have been playing for a long time and I wish I had the resources that are available today when I was starting out. The Internet is FULL of FREE information on music. From theory, technique, equipment care, sheet music and much, much more. Just Google the area of study you are looking for. You will have more than you can keep up with.

Good Luck.

--Ant
 

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The Ed Friedland books/DVDs are excellent resources.

+1000

The Blues book should be mandatory, as it covers what is so essential in most popular music - The Groove. The book lays out some real classic walking patterns/turnarounds, and includes about a dozen standards tabbed out, with a backing band. Excellent chop builders.

The Building Walking Basslines is excellent if that's what's lacking in your playing. You'll pick up some essential theory along the way as well.

Hard to go wrong with Ed!
 

stomaraka

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the ed friedland books/dvds are excellent resources.

+1

and an advice: start with the basics books (even though you play for a along time), the rest of it will start falling into place. Build yourself a daily practice routine, the boring kind, scales, intervals etc, and do it for as much time as you can, but every day. Like a warmup. You can find all of this online, + friedland books...It will take a lot more time than $, a 20 or so $ book can keep you up for a really long time...
 
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mrplavick

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A. I tip my hat to you for not simply resting on your laurels

B. I am in a very similar state

C. Thanks so much to those that have offered some great feedback.

D. All I can add regarding resources is that years ago I purchased Standing in the Shadows of Motown: The Life and Music of Legendary Bassist James Jamerson

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Standing-Shadows-Motown-Legendary-Jamerson/dp/0881888826]Amazon.com: Standing in the Shadows of Motown: The Life and Music of Legendary Bassist James Jamerson (Guitar Book) (0073999989601): Dr. Licks, James Jamerson, Berry Gordy: Books[/ame]


This was in the years B.C. (before children) when I had time to listen, analyze, and work on such masterpiece bass lines as "What's Going On", "I Want You Back", "Darling Dear" etc. Really satisfying and enlightening.


Best of luck!
 

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It is unfortunate that there is no one near you to provide you with lessons. I find that there is still no substitute for a good teacher. For example, many books seem to advocate a one-finger-per-fret method. This works if you have hands the size of a basketball player.

It was only through instruction and face to face dialogue with a teacher that I developed some proper technique. We settled on the 1-2-4 method for frets 0-5. Then after that the frets get closer together so I could use all 4 fingers after that. Furthermore, I finally developed good muting of the E and A strings via my teacher.

Having said that, I think the best series of books are Ed Friedlands. He also advocates the 1-2-4 method for the wider frets. His books are the clearest written. The bass song books he developed are lots of fun as well. These have both tab and musical notation which I prefer.

I also have found the Guitar Pro software to be extremely useful. I strongly recommend buying that software and then download guitar pro song files. Here you can solo the bass line and carefully listen to it, see the musical notation and see the tabs. You get it all. Even though I am not good at reading music, I at least use the timing information (eg quarter, eighth notes, rests, etc). Tabs alone don't give you that.

I have also used Guitar Pro to simplify some bass lines that were too challenging for me at first. Also, if you don't agree with how the bass line is played, you can try different fingering using the software.

Finally, I find most internet tabs suck. They are often wrong, so what I sometimes do is buy the piano score for a song and enter the bass line of the piano score into guitar pro. Then I monkey around with the tabs/fingering to find a bass line that moves efficiently around the fretboard.

In summary what has worked for me are Ed's books, and Guitar Pro software. Here is the link to Guitar Pro: Guitar Pro 6 - Tablature software for guitar, bass, and other fretted instruments.
 

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Practice with a Drum machine. I got a basic Boss Dr-3, You can Mute the Bass progression and play along with the drums. You have alot of control over the over the Drum Kits and Tempo and I found it as a great tool to practice with. Good Luck:)
 

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"Building a Jazz Bass Line" by Ron Carter-

Don't let the word "Jazz" scare anybody away-

This is fundamentals, and practicing the material in his book will open up facility and ideas that can apply to any type of music.

Ever see Ron play live?? I have, and he is all FACT and no fireworks, as solid as the instrument can possibly be, Acoustic or Electric.

Great source of material for study, really.
 

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Well you've asked a very specific question and that is "how to practice?"

After you've decided on what book to get, and yes, Ed Friedland's ones are excellent or another extremely good one I'd recommend would be ideal for you, is from a tutor called Stuart Clayton as per the link below:
Crash Course: Bass at Musicroom.com - Tuition Books

Your practice schedule should be divided in tasks and goals to achieve, it can be boring at first, but it all depends on your patience to hang in there, rather than expect to be Ace within the first week.
You need to learn your fretboard I am afraid, four frets at the time, per week, name the notes and learn to recognise them, this is essential in a band when they tell you right dude next song is a 12 bars in F# you need to know what they are talking about.

Once you've got a section of the neck fully under your complete knowledge you can start practicing scales with a metronome learning the fundamental, the third, fifth, seventh and the rest of it of any scale, be it major, minor, etc etc.

You know it's not going to be easy to achieve but any hard work you put in will reward you in the end.

It's a long way to the top...if you want to rock & roll ;)
 

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Ed's work is very good.

If you looking for a few free 7-10-minute online lessons from a Nashville session guy (not as funny as CYoung, unfortunately), check out bassfrontiersmag.com in their Instruction and Education session.
 

Resolute

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Wow, I never thought I would get this much response. Thank you all.

I will check out Ed's stuff and try to get that going.

I have tried looking for free online things, but have been overwhelmed at the amount of things to wade through to find something decent, and that's why I asked here.

Ok, well, off to get my "tools" then start the work! I will keep you guys updated on how things are going. Maybe you all can help me stay focused...:D
 

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I'm in the same boat as you are. I have played for 20 something years but am completely self taught. I too want to get better so what I have been doing is simply google searching bass lines and have visited different sites with bass tabs to about every song in existence. I am seeing what those bass players are doing and then in certain situations, adding that to my style.
 

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A. I tip my hat to you for not simply resting on your laurels

B. I am in a very similar state

C. Thanks so much to those that have offered some great feedback.

D. All I can add regarding resources is that years ago I purchased Standing in the Shadows of Motown: The Life and Music of Legendary Bassist James Jamerson

Amazon.com: Standing in the Shadows of Motown: The Life and Music of Legendary Bassist James Jamerson (Guitar Book) (0073999989601): Dr. Licks, James Jamerson, Berry Gordy: Books





This was in the years B.C. (before children) when I had time to listen, analyze, and work on such masterpiece bass lines as "What's Going On", "I Want You Back", "Darling Dear" etc. Really satisfying and enlightening.


Best of luck!

I always come back to Motown...Standing in the Shadows helps you in every way...reading, rhythm, tone, feel, chops...
 

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The Ed Friedland books/DVDs are excellent resources.

+1. Also, check out Welcome to Music Dojo!, which is an excellent music ed site. Everything from basic left/right hand technique, to reading and theory, tapping it, slapping it, and just about anything else you'd ever wanna do to it. There's a free 5 day introductory class, so you can check out the format, etc...

And don't "should" on yourself, man (not as good as I *should be, etc...). If you want to develop/improve, go for it, but don't beat yourself up about being wherever you are. Your number one job is to make it groove. As long as you're doing that, the rest is gravy.

Peace, Grace & Bass!
 

keko

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Lots of good suggestions are written above, just want to add something:

Very important for every bass player is to listen many different music genres and pickup some special bass lines!

So, don't focus to only one, two... music genres, try to listen as much as possible, try to practice than most interesting parts, don't be afraid to pickup some difficult bass lines, what one man can do, the others may for sure! ;)

Of course, the best practice after all is at live performance, so try to play with live band as much as possible! :rolleyes:
 

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Of these 3 Friedland books, how would you rank them? Keep in mind I play mostly rock, with some blues and other miscellaneous genres (country, R&B, pop, oldies, reggae). I really want to learn to develop my own bass lines better and learn how to improvise fills and leads here and there. I do love a nice walking bass line, too. :)

Blues Bass - A Guide to the Essential Styles and Techniques
Building Walking Bass Lines
Building Rock Bass Lines

I can only afford 2 of these right now.
 
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