6165: What happens when panning stereo in to stereo out?

[auger shell]

I'm considering the EB 6165 stereo pan/volume pedal. One aspect of its functionality that is unclear to me is this:

when the input signal to the pedal is stereo (using both A and B ins), and the output signal from the pedal is stereo (using both A and B outs), what exactly happens when I rock the expression pedal back and forth in Pan mode?

 

[Spudmurphy]

I'm considering the EB 6165 stereo pan/volume pedal. One aspect of its functionality that is unclear to me is this:

when the input signal to the pedal is stereo (using both A and B ins), and the output signal from the pedal is stereo (using both A and B outs), what exactly happens when I rock the expression pedal back and forth in Pan mode?

I'll be back on line in 90 mins and will post a reply.
Spud

 

[Spudmurphy]

Welcome to the forum. I just had to catch the highlights of todays Ryder Cup
First off, here are a couple of links to demos of the 6165 pedal
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/mus...er-mesa-f50-6165-pedal-albert-lee-guitar.html

Take a look at post #13 on this thread too
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/37335-magnetic-piezo-blend-pedal.html

Here's another good thread too
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/43763-ernie-ball-500k-stereo-pan-volume-pedal.html

So, onto your specific question
Q. When the input signal to the pedal is stereo (using both A and B ins), and the output signal from the pedal is stereo (using both A and B outs), what exactly happens when I rock the expression pedal back and forth in Pan mode?
Answer
One of two things will happen depending on the "Toe" switch selection. Either:-
Toe selection 1) Both of the outputs (in tandem) will swell up/down together, or
Toe selection 2) You will pan between the signals - think of a see saw, one (signal) goes up, while the other (signal) goes down, effectively panning between the two signals.

I hope this answers your query, and the video clips help, but if not please come back to me.

 

[the24thfret]

Nice work Spud!!!

 

[bazxkr]

Welcome to the forum. I just had to catch the highlights of todays Ryder Cup

From where you are Spud you can run to Celtic Manor and back in 90 minutes


Very interesting video & comments on the pedal/piezo setup. Thanks for that.

Hope to have a piezo setup myself in the next few days.

Getting more daring on trying different equipment with all this font of knowledge available thro you great guys on the forum

Thks to BP/MM Corp for sponsoring such a terrific and helpful forum

Cheers
Baz

 

[Spudmurphy]

^
Hee heee yeah Baz - but I don't "do" running at my age ha!

I'm glad that your getting the piezo - coz you won't be disappointed- awesome bit of kit & I wish all my guitars had one.

So, as you must be close (ish) to Olympia, you coming to the guitar show in November ?

 

[auger shell]

Thanks very much for the welcome, and for the references. Very helpful, and I've added the Piezo to my gotta-have-it list. Very nice tones.

I think i am close to understanding the stereo-in stereo-out panning.

You wrote:

Toe selection 2) You will pan between the signals - think of a see saw, one (signal) goes up, while the other (signal) goes down, effectively panning between the two signals.

So, if I am going out of the 6165 to 2 amps on stage left (A) and right (B), and I pan between the 2, does this mean that:

Rocker down = Amp A sounding from input A, Amp B silent
Rocker middle = Amp A sounding from input A, Amp B sounding from input B
Rocker up = Amp A silent, Amp B sounding from input B

With the fading-in and -out expected while getting from down to middle to back?

 

[Spudmurphy]

Thanks very much for the welcome, and for the references. Very helpful, and I've added the Piezo to my gotta-have-it list. Very nice tones.

I think i am close to understanding the stereo-in stereo-out panning.

You wrote:


So, if I am going out of the 6165 to 2 amps on stage left (A) and right (B), and I pan between the 2, does this mean that:

Rocker down = Amp A sounding from input A, Amp B silent
Rocker middle = Amp A sounding from input A, Amp B sounding from input B
Rocker up = Amp A silent, Amp B sounding from input B

With the fading-in and -out expected while getting from down to middle to back?

Tell you what I'll do, (it's a bit late now) I'll try and do another video clip tomorrow to answer your specific query.
Spud

 

[mojomkr]

6165 can be used several ways. --Without-- the Piezo it can be

used as a stereo volume pedal --2--amps-- 1--guitar input-- or

same setup --2--amps--1--guitar input -->Kick switch as a Trem

Stereo Volume Pan...Now with a Piezo....Same setup But Piezo Imput

from Guitar straight into an Accoustic Amp= 3 amps in stereo or last

option is Piezo guitar input to 6165 pedal then Stereo guitar imput to

6165 Pedal kick switch volume acts as a straight volume or a Trem -

volume affect. This is the best volume/Trem pedal on the market.

It's a lot of fun and very affective......Good Luck

 

[auger shell]

Spudmurphy - Thanks! but no need to make another video. I re-watched your "Ernie Ball 6165 Stereo Pedal demo for EB Forum" that you linked to earlier, and I got it.

Another item that might be of use for people wrapping their heads around this pedal:
Potentiometers (Beginners' Guide to Pots)
Skip down to figure 9, where a dual-pot balance circuit is explained. (the rest of the article was pretty great too, for an electronics neophyte like me)

For what it's worth, what i am after is a cross-panning effect-- something like twisting the balance knobs of two mixer channels at the same time in opposite directions, but controlled by a single exp pedal. I think my pedal would require another dual pot, with the whole thing re-wired such that both ins are balanced oppositely (?) to each out. Yikes.

Thanks very much again, Spudmurphy!

 

[mojomkr]

For what it's worth, what i am after is a cross-panning effect-- something like twisting the balance knobs of two mixer channels at the same time in opposite directions, but controlled by a single exp pedal.

This is what this pedal does! Kick switch in one postition -Pans- between two

Amps. Hence Tremolo affect. Kick switch in the other postition is straight

voloume pedal with one or two or three amps. In this postition you can get

beautiful volume swells like a Violin or Cello. Good luck !

 

[auger shell]

Hmm... What i am looking for is a pedal that will take two input signals A and B, and output to two amps A (stage left) and B (stage right), with the following action when the exp pedal is rocked:

• Rocker down = Amp A sounding 100% from Input A, Amp B sounding 100% from Input B
  (Input A panned 'hard left', Input B panned 'hard right')
• Rocker middle = Amp A sounding 50% from Input A and 50% from Input B, Amp B sounding 50% from Input A and 50% from Input B
  (both Inputs panned center)
• Rocker up = Amp A sounding 100% from Input B, Amp B sounding 100% from Input A
  (Input A panned 'hard right', Input B panned 'hard left')

So that both amps were always sounding, never silent, and the assignment of each input could criss-cross between both amps.

 

[mojomkr]

Thats what it does.....

 

[mojomkr]

The 6165 acts as an A/B Switcher in the one postition. But if you

rock the pedal back and forth it has a Tremolo affect...

 

[mojomkr]

Hmm... What i am looking for is a pedal that will take two input signals A and B, and output to two amps A (stage left) and B (stage right), with the following action when the exp pedal is rocked:

• Rocker down = Amp A sounding 100% from Input A, Amp B sounding 100% from Input B
  (Input A panned 'hard left', Input B panned 'hard right')
• Rocker middle = Amp A sounding 50% from Input A and 50% from Input B, Amp B sounding 50% from Input A and 50% from Input B
  (both Inputs panned center)
• Rocker up = Amp A sounding 100% from Input B, Amp B sounding 100% from Input A
  (Input A panned 'hard right', Input B panned 'hard left')

So that both amps were always sounding, never silent, and the assignment of each input could criss-cross between both amps.

This is what it does when the "Kicker" Switch is activated. If you kick

the "Kicker" Switch again----It works as a straight volume pedal. So

really it works for Volume swells, Tremolo Affect, Volume Pedal and

a Volume Pan...You will love this pedal ! I'm thinking to buy another

one just to have it on hand. Ernie Ball also sells the repair kit with

extra string on the Ernie Ball website. This pedal is worth every penny

and you wont be disapointed.

 

[auger shell]

HM! Maybe I don't get it then. That would be great if it did what i described above.

Suppose I should just pick one up and check it out for myself. Thanks!!