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About four years ago, I played bass for a year and sold all my gear to help fund buying a car. I thought I was done with bass until a friend needed a bassist for his hip-hop band. I agreed to the gig without any gear. I bought a TC Electronic BG250 amp and a Sterling Sub4 and off I went. I’ve been playing guitar for 14 years and the transition to bass has been very easy for me. It makes me think that all the years I’ve been playing guitar, should have been spent playing bass. I’m very good at pick style, working on finger style and trying to learn slap bass.

Anyhow, I’m looking to pick up one good-quality bass that’s good for any style of music and wanted some help deciding on a direction to go. I’ve played quite a few basses and have narrowed my choices down to either an EBMM Sterling Stingray, Bongo or possibly some sort of Carvin made out of Walnut/Koa/Maple.

I played the Sterling and liked that it was easy to dial in to get a good sound. It was very similar to a normal stingray as far as tone went, but where a stingray has a very rich and thick low end, the sterling felt a little less rich and maybe a little clearer sounding. I kind of liked that. I’d almost describe it as somewhere between a J and P bass kind of sound. Does that make sense? The neck also seemed thinner than a stingray.

The Bongo on the other hand was harder to dial in. Going back and fourth between the bongo and the sterling, I kept coming back to the bongo. It sounded a little cleaner but I was still able to get stingray tones if I worked with the EQ. It felt more like a JBass, but I’ve never been a fan of the JBass. I also really liked the neck. Some people complain about the body shape, but it doesn’t bother me at all.

I’m also considering some kind of Carvin. For the price, it seems like good option. I could get a bass that’s made from a butcher’s block of Koa/ Walnut/ Maple and still not break the bank. The only issue is not being able to play one beforehand.

As for options, no matter what bass I end up getting, I think I want to get a lined fretless bass. I’ve played fretless basses in stores and I’ve liked the sound and feeling each time. I also really like the sound of slap bass on a fretless. One of my favorite bassists is Scott Owen from the band The Living End and he plays slap on a double bass and I really like the tone. Are there any big disadvantages to getting a fretless?

What pickup configuration is best (H, HH, HS)?

Then there’s also the question of 4 or 5 string. So far, I haven’t had the need for a 5 string bass. What would I need one for? Should I get a 5 and play it as a 4 by leaving a string off? Or should I get used to a 5? What would you do? Which bass do you like more? What would you recommend? As for music, currently I’m in a hip-hop/ rap band and a cover band. I have some upcoming auditions with various local bands as well. I want a thick sound that’s very hifi. Any help would be appreciated.

Peace~
 

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The question of lines on FL is well covered. Just search this forum !

If you go with FL [lines or not] I'd recommend against the Carvins
cuz they're not bolt-on. The bolt-on neck joint is an important part
of your set-up options, especially with FL. Details of this matter are
covered if you search this forum.

Nobody needs a 5-string, but certain changes are easier with more
strings cuz you get an extra 1/2 octave outa any given position on
the neck. If you are satisfied with the most common mainstream
selection of strings, 5-strings are no problem. But if you're a string
freak, and IMNSHO FL playing attracts or creates string freaks, then
you'll find more variety available for the 4-string. Also IMNSHO the
B-string on any FL bass is semi-sorry compared to the other 4. As if
the 'B' really needs the added briteness of frets.

Finally, if your budget can make it, consider the peizo option for FL.
Especially the Boingo 4HS-P. Again, there is much on that to be had
by searching this forum.

If you choose to go with frets, ignore everything I wrote ... and oh,
yes, welcome to the forum :)
 

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The optimal pickup configuration changes with basses. For example, in a Stingray HH or HS is really cool, but in the Bongo you really want a H because HS and HH move the bridge pickup into a useless position (enforced by the 24 fret neck).

I think the hottest rock basses you can buy today (if you only want one) are Music Man Stingrays HH or HS, Warwick corvettes or jazzmen with humbuckers (can be heavy) and AVRI Precision basses, although the neck shape can be annoying on the latter.

If you want a Jazz or Jazz-like bass like a Big Al you would already know it and you don't.

The Reflex looks very interesting, too, but I never owned one.
 
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Bellers music is my hometown shop. I know pete and nick post on the forums, so they've been helping me out. I bought an axis from them last year. I priced out a HS Fretless Bongo 5 and they quoted me around $1500 which is a lot for me. Not that I can't afford it, its just a lot. So let's cap my budget at that price. The reflex is cool, but out of my budget.
 

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You want to do hiphop on a 5 string fretless bongo although you never played either 5 strings nor fretless before?
 

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5 strings will give you a big bottom that might be fun for hip hop stuff..

fretless.. takes some practise to get good intonation on that.. also.. slapping sounds a bit dull because the string doesnt snap against any frets.. be more like a les claypool sound

also, if you are in the hands of pete i dont think you could be any better place ;)

MrM
 

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Bellers music is my hometown shop. I know pete and nick post on the forums, so they've been helping me out. I bought an axis from them last year. I priced out a HS Fretless Bongo 5 and they quoted me around $1500 which is a lot for me. Not that I can't afford it, its just a lot. So let's cap my budget at that price. The reflex is cool, but out of my budget.

You should be glad youre in the us. This bass would be like 2500$ here in europe... :)
 
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You want to do hiphop on a 5 string fretless bongo although you never played either 5 strings nor fretless before?

I've played 5 stringers in guitar center. they didn't seem to take much getting used to. the same goes for fretless. As long as I have lines on the fingerboard and side position markers, I should be fine. A few years ago, I almost bought an Epiphone Zenith. It was a fretless with a shadow nano-mag pickup near the end of the fingerboard and a piezo at the bridge. It sounded amazing! Am I weird for liking that kind of tone?

I like the dull sound of slap bass. Like I was saying, theres this bassist named Scott Owen who plays with the band The Living End. He plays slap on a double bass. I dig that kind of sound.

As for hiphop... I've never been into hiphop/ rap, but its much more fun to play than the rock covers my other band plays :)
 

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I think a 4 or 5 string fretted would sound great in that music. I would gravitate towards a 5 string for those deeper notes for that style (although a 4 or 5 can fit into ANY genre).

The fretless idea might be nice but I would not personally have a fretless as my main bass. Completely up to you.

Bass wise, from what you are saying, I’d opt for:

Sterling 5 HH or HS
Stingray 5 HH or HS
Bongo 5 HH

I personally love the multi pickup basses. The Sterling and Stingray still have their normal tones (although the Sterling loses it’s parallel single H option, but not series), but a lot more on top of that.

The Stingray (alnico) will sound richer, more traditional. The Sterling (ceramic) will sound a little more aggressive. The Sterling 5 and Stingray 5 share the same neck but the Sterling body is sleeker.

The Bongo (neodymium) is a different beast. It sounds ‘faster’, more modern, the neck has more frets, different neck shape, paint on the neck, 4 band EQ. I personally wanted something different from all the traditional H position basses I have from EBMM, hence I got HH and HS versions. The bridge H is more tight, aggressive, and ‘jazz-bass’ like.

Carvin? Never played one. I almost bought one of their new P basses but I really didn’t need one. Their prices are great in the USA, but EBMM is higher quality IMO. You will not beat the EBMM bass pickups and electrics!
 

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Welcome to the forum, neighbor. You are in good hands with Pete and Nick.

I am a guitarist who noodles on the bass and I really like the String Ray. Mine is a 4 string, which is all I need. Mine is fretless and I find that the lack of fret lines is not confusing at all. I glance down at the side dots and I am fine.

So, one vote for a fretless Sting Ray with no lines. Good luck!

- Bryan
 
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So I'm thinking of going with frets instead of a fretless.

I'm listening to more and more demo's and liking the bongo less and less. something sounds sterile about it. That said, I'm listening to demo's for the SSS Big all and think it sounds really nice. its warm and full. Does anyone have experience with them? I don't typically like jazz basses. I don't find their sound full enough. Having not played a big al, is it very similar to a typical Jbass tone. What's the neck like?

Has anyone ever played a Modulus bass? I played on a few years ago that I really liked and they're on my radar too.
 

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An active SS or SSS bass is always going to be much different from a real Jazz bass, because mixing the pickups doesn't change their sound (assuming the mixing is done after the impedance change which it is in MM instruments).

The glassy sound of a Jazz bass with pickups mixed is from raising the frequency of the resonance peak to where it doesn't matter anymore, then killing the amplitude of the peak due to the load of the backwards connected potentiometers.

Neither happens if you do a plain audio mix after impedance changed. You will still get lots of cancellations all over the overtone spectrum, though, but that's part of the charm.
 
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Well, I've decided to get the Big Al. I haven't played one and hope I like the neck- fingers crossed on that one. Judging by demos I've heard, I think its the tone (several tones) I'm going for. I hope I don't regret this. Anyhow, I'm thinking of doing either a 4 of 5 string fretted, sky blue/ maple fingerboard, black pearl pickgaurd. Look-wise its retro cool. If I could find a brushed aluminum aftermarket pickguard, it might look extra cool! The bongo, which I like the feel of, sounds kind of sterile to me for whatever reason, so for now, I'm going to pass on it. Maybe I'll pick one up sometime down the road. Now I just have to place my order.
 
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