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Raoul77

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So I was wondering if anyone tried or did in fact replace the stock Illuminators on their Majesty guitar.
I have wanted to do this for months now, but every time there seems to be one problem or other.
At this point I'm actually really annoyed with EBMM for making this (normally fairly easy to do) process almost impossible.
First off there is the switching system which looks quite overwhelming to be honest (even though I'm letting a seasoned luthier do the job....eventually). And EBMM customer service isn't forthcoming with info on how the pickups are wired to this switching system. I've asked twice (via email) and no reply.
Second, the routing of the guitar itself. However beautiful, it's more than a little restrictive in terms of replacing pickups. If possible at all. There is the height of the pups, which is quite low. Most brands I've measured (Suhr, Bare Knuckle, Seymour Duncan) are too high and since they're tto be mounted directly to the body...well. Then there's the legs, which are triangular as opposed to traditional square. SD doesn't even make those for example. I've found Lundgren Pickups in Sweden who was willing to tailor-make them for me, but they're quite expensive and more important; I've found only 2 Youtube demo's on this particular pup.

So I've more or less resigned to the fact that I'll have to stick with DiMarzio pickups. And after having owned 3 different pu-sets in the past and watching hundreds of vids on Youtube over the last 4 months or so, I can say that I don't like the sound of their pickups. Most of them I should say. There is something about them that sounds....dunno...off to me. Not enough depth, openness, growl. I'm fully aware that tone is subjective as hell but even still, I'm struggling to find a DiMarzio sound I really like. I do think the Crunchlab/Liquifire combo sound a lot better than those Illuminators (to my ears), but They also sound too progressive to my ears.

You could argue (like EBMM does, when I mailed them about these matters) whether I should have bought this guitar in the first place. BUT...I really really love this guitar. How it sounds (acousticly), how it plays and feels. I bought this guitar solely on specs, on how it's build and the woods (ok..and the Arctic Dream color;-) ). And it didn't disappoint.
But what I don't get is why they make it so hard to replace pickups, which is something most guitarists do in time to make the instrument their own, to create their own sound.
Now even the edges of the pu-sockets are rounder than usual, so I fear that even if I were to buy different DiMarzio pickups, they still wouldn't fit without me filing down the edges of the plate. So forget about putting in a pair of covered humbuckers.

So I guess that's were I'm at now. Thinking about buying a pair of Transitions (was debating the new Paf Masters, but they seem to come with square legs.....:eek:) and let my guitar tech file down the edges (if necessary). At least I like that tone and the pu height should be ok. Plus...the Transition should works fine in conjuction with the onboard PreAmp, since the Luke 3 has the same one (more or less).

Hm...longer story than I intended. Anyhow, I'm really interrested if anybode else is thinking about replacing their pups or has already done that.
 

mystixboi1

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I got nothing.

Actually, if you get the transitions to work, that would be great. they are my favorite pick up right now.
 

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I hope you will keep us updated on this. I too would like to experiment with the pickups on this very special guitar.
 

Raoul77

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Well...I sort of pulled the trigger on those Transitions. Regretfully without a black metal cover which I'd preferred. If only to keep it cleaner and take a bit off the high end. But alas. I tried an old Gibson paf I had laying around and it really really doesn't fit. So the uncovered ones and hope that my luthier will be so kind to round off the edges a little so they can squeeze in.
Good to hear that people love the Transitions.
Will update on the process, but it's not going to happen until january at the earliest.
Oh..I believe I forgot to mention EBMM uses wood screws to set the humbucker in place. So any replacement pup need to get drilled slightly larger holes in the legs.
All in all, changing the EMG85 on my custom strat for a EMG57 (which I also ordered today) will be less challenging I think.
 

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I do a bit of gigging around Hong Kong and its a plug and play scene. Have to live with the amps at the venue due to various reasons (space and transport, some of them). When I first got the Majesty I was disappointed with the sounds, ie pick ups, I was getting. I use a Boss ME 80 "chocolate box" and yes I know what most reactions will be, but when the third tap of the drum sticks comes around and I'm still wondering what I'm gonna get from the amp, I'm happy knowing I can adjust quickly and easily to get something decent.
I have spent a lot of time adjusting recently and although I still think the liquifier and crunchlabs are, let's say, what I'm used to, I have been able to get, for me, some fantastic tones from the illuminators. The coil 2&3 position (mid) tone up, is awesome.
I am curious to hear how this change goes for you as it would be nice to try something new,
as I tell my wife.
 

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I really like the Transitions. They sound great with distortion and they clean up nicely with just the volume knob. They are articulate, if that's the right word?...I can hear each note of a chord instead of just a blending of the notes. Luke has a hell of a good ear...remember that he picked out the legendary Axis pickups; he chose between the final two pickups, I think.

I'd love to see pics when you get it back from your luthier. Good luck.

Oh, and maybe you have the wrong customer service contact info? ebmm are well known for excellent customer service.
Try emailing A.J. at this address: [email protected]
 
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Raoul77

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Thanks Tollie. Good to hear everybody loves the Transitions. Although everybody seems to like Illuminators as well :)
I'm not a Lukather adept, but I have to admit he's been a major influence to me when I studied at the conservatory. His way of 'always' playing the right note at the right time and his tone in general. He was also a factor in me choosing to play EMG, which I still do, albeit not exclusive anymore.
All in all I'm eager to see how this turns out. I will post an update (or new thread) when it's done, but like I said it'll take some time. I will use that email-adress you mention, cause I might have some ideas of my own on what kind of switching I want to try out. I'm not too fond of EBMM's choice to use both pu's in parallel in the middle position and the coil tap function neither. I might want the pu's to be in series in the middle and maybe have to front pu switch to parallel by itself when using the push-push tone. Makes sense? I did this on a custom Strat that is loaded with 2 Seymour Duncan 59's and a JBjr in the bridge. Thought I'm not 100% sure on those pu's, I love the sound in positions 2 & 4, which are the middle pu and neck pu in parallel respectively.

@lrmf777; we all do what we can with what we've got right? Be it a Boss ME80 or a Kemper (in my case). Though I'm not gigging like you so it's easier when being in one or two bands, rather than doing sessions. There's not a big scene here anyway. It's interesting that you managed to get some sounds out of the Illuminators that you really like. Myself I'm so used now to play with a certain sound that it's hard to acclimatize to sounds that deviate too much from what I know I guess. Having said that, my guitars don't sound exactly the same, but they're in the same ballpark.
 

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Hi Raoul. I was thinking about how you said that the emgs were your main pickups...

I only have one guitar with ems. My amps are dialed in to play the guitars I already had, which all have passive electronics (dimarzio pickups). When my Luke arrived with emgs, I plugged it in and I was not happy with my tone. It turns out that I had to change all of my settings to find a tone that sounds like me. Maybe you should start from scratch with your amp choices on the kemper to see if you are having the same problem that I had, albeit in reverse.

I was wondering...does the kemper have a gibson super goldtone in its bank of amp choices? That is my favorite amp.
 
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Raoul77

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I did try that in fact. Common sense, no? But the character of the pups always shines through. I've tried on several different amps, including a Mesa Roadster I own and several amps at the music school I teach. I just doesn't sound good. Again to my ears. I plug in one of my two others guitars (one passive, the other one active pups) and it sounds good. Also tried a Chinese made LTD-100 (or something) and it sounds better than my Majesty. Which is quite underwhelming, haha.
So yeah I tried some tweaking, but to be honest,I would want my Majesty to sound great without too much tweaking. And like I said, it's not just on the Kemper.

I understand your problem though. I took several combo's of emg's before I found my match. And even now with the Kemper I could be really digging a certain sound, but when I switch to another pup it could sound worse. Or better.
That difference gets smaller if I use it with the poweramp and a Egnater Tourmaster 212x cab. So it definitely takes some getting used to. Don't know the amp you're referring to, but I'm sure somebody has profiled it so it could be on rig-exchange.
 

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The tabs don't fit? The cavity is too small? Swapping pickups seems hard? Yeah, nothing out of the ordinary there. Welcome to the fun world of pickup swaps! Tabs often have to be reshaped if not available in the triangular form. Pickups too wide will require the pickup be reshaped, if possible, or route the cavity to accommodate the new pickup. Pickup too tall? Routing for depth or reshaping the pickup may be required, etc.

I plan on swapping my pickups on my majesty as well and have planned ahead, to some degree. I really don't think it's going to be that difficult. The wires from the pickups solder straight to the board. Unsoldering the wires from the illuminators and wiring in the new pickups seems pretty obvious. Other than installation of the physical pickup I think the rest of the process will go pretty smoothly.
 

Raoul77

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I know, I've played guitar for about 37 years now and have replaced pickups often enough to know that there's always something. However, on this particular guitar it's everything at once :)
Don't know about the proces being straightforward though. Hope you're right. It's just that I would like to experiment with some of the switching. So in the middle position you have both pups, like on a Les Paul. And that coil-tap choiche is not my cup of tea either. I'd maybe like to have the neck pickup switch to parallel for example. For 'Strat' kind of sounds I wouldn't be useing the Majesty anyway. Having said that, I'd be nice to have a decent single-coilish sound.

What kind op pickups are you going to install then? Let us know how that turns out yeah?
 
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