EBMM JP6 should be here Tue, and...

[Rauschbo]

....I want to know what the best set-up is for amp'ing it, I have searched the guitar forum for "piezo", and I am still wondering how to best set up to get the best sound between the mags and the piezo, what equipment is needed / recommended (like the ground lift mentioned, etc.) - I would like to be prepared to go when the guitar arrives -
- MAN. I'm excited! I'll post pics when it arrives....
Thx (in advance) for the advice

 

[Jimmyb]

Cool, new guitar on tuesday? Yup, I can relate to that

Ok, first off, do you have a separate acoustic amp, or are you going straight into a PA?

The piezo through a regular guitar amp doesn't sound as good as it does through a full range system (although it sounds great through my Hiwatt..). So you really want to have something separate to run them through.

As far as lifting the ground, if you're powering the system from a common point, there should not be any problem with ground loops. If you do find a problem with humming due to a ground loop, get a hold of a DI box that has a ground lift. DON'T just lift the ground from the amps (unless it has that feature built in).

You'll need either a stereo (Tip, Ring and Sleeve) cable with an adaptor box, or you could use a Y lead. You could also use 2 separate leads, one for each amp.

Let's see some pics!!

 

[greenwizard]

Check the EB FAQ

 

[Rauschbo]

....that's what I gathered, to fully utilize the piezo, I will need a separate amp - an acoustic one, from JimmyB's post?

All I have now is a Line 6 Spider III (150W - wish I woulda got a Vox!) and a silly little Fender 15W "practice amp".

What would everyone recommend for the acoustic amp, and hardware (Y-cable (is that a two-into-one?), run 2 cables, mono to the piezo, what is the best method?)...



I checked through the FAQ's, still looking for info / input -

Thx / Rauschbo

 

[roburado]

I don't know if there is one best method. If you use two cables, which is probably the easiest thing to do right now, or if you use one stereo cable, you should probably invest in a DI box with a ground lift for the piezo signal. If you use a stereo cable, you will need a splitter box of some kind. EBMM has discontinued theirs. That's why I say it's probably easier to just run two cables.

In the following thread, there are links to other threads that explain what this is all about. http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/23101-dumb-piezo-question-yes-im-slow.html

 

[Spudmurphy]

I use a stereo cable and a very simple splitter box.

I run my mags to the Marshall via the Pod XT and the piezo to the AER.

Works a treat and as we've discussed before the AER sounds awesome !! No hum at all.

I gotta say it again - the AER is awesome, not cheap but awesome!!

 

[Rauschbo]

...itr should be here today! I'll miss the shipment, as I'll be at work.....(bummin' hard).....

Spudman, could you post a pic of your set up, or PM me with all the details? I'm a bit fuzzy on stereo - vs. - Y cabling and using a splitter.....

Much appreciated everyone - I should have the MM making lots of noise by tomorrow night!

Rauschbo

 

[Jimmyb]

....that's what I gathered, to fully utilize the piezo, I will need a separate amp - an acoustic one, from JimmyB's post?

All I have now is a Line 6 Spider III (150W - wish I woulda got a Vox!) and a silly little Fender 15W "practice amp".

What would everyone recommend for the acoustic amp, and hardware (Y-cable (is that a two-into-one?), run 2 cables, mono to the piezo, what is the best method?)...



I checked through the FAQ's, still looking for info / input -

Thx / Rauschbo

You are definitely better served with an acoustic amp, or PA. Basically, what you need is anything that has a full range response, as most guitar amps tend to attenuate higher frequencies.

Having said that, for now, you should be able to get going by using the Line 6, but with a really clean setting for the piezo.

Don't you just hate missing the delivery man! Means you have to drive down to the office for it

 

[Dead-Eye]

I use a stereo cable and a very simple splitter box.

I run my mags to the Marshall via the Pod XT and the piezo to the AER.

Works a treat and as we've discussed before the AER sounds awesome !! No hum at all.

I gotta say it again - the AER is awesome, not cheap but awesome!!

What model of AER do you have?
My dad has a compact 60...piezo into that, mags into an Engl Screamer 50 = musical heaven

I'd definitely suggest two amps of some sort, or you'll miss out on some cool piezo/mags with distortion-sounds.

 

[puppyonacid]

I use a F£nd** Dual Showman. Late 80's model. Not such a great amp. Not what you'd call hi-gain so I have to use a distortion pedal along with the gain settings. But, It does have an excellent clean sound. I can EQ pretty much any clean sound from it. To the extent I can get a pretty convincing(ish) acoustic sound from it. This amp has a function for using both channels simultaneously. I've had it years and wondered why you'd ever need to use both clean and crunch channels at the same time. So, not being able to find a good use for it, never used that function........until........had my JP6 about a year and had my amp at home and was experimenting with how to use my piezo. I had used the dual output and would just turn the piezo right down, so when I needed a clean sound would just turn off the distrtion and flick the switch and got a very quiet clean, but not so acoustic sound. It bugged because I wanted to use the piezo properly without having to do more than flick the switch on my JP.

Then it occured to me about the dual channel funtion. So after a bit of messing, voila! There it was. I can, through one amp get both sounds. Given the choice I would rather probably use an acoustic amp but only if it actually sounded better. The clean channel is extremely clean. I mean, isn't that what F£nd** amps are noted for?

Well anyway, It jsut works. Worked a treat at our last 2 gigs.

Sorry to hi-jack the thread. Just my 2 pennies.

 

[vette6600]

Hey guys, new here. just ordered my jp6 from grand central music today!

anyways, what do you think about running the piezo output to a roland jazz chorus 2x12? i'm not that knowledgable about a lot of gear, but i've heard that people used to/maybe still do use the jazz chorus to amplify instruments other than electric guitars.

 

[JSX]

Hey Rauschbo!

Any sign of a JP yet?

 

[greenwizard]

Hey guys, new here. just ordered my jp6 from grand central music today!

anyways, what do you think about running the piezo output to a roland jazz chorus 2x12? i'm not that knowledgable about a lot of gear, but i've heard that people used to/maybe still do use the jazz chorus to amplify instruments other than electric guitars.

Welcome to the forum vette. To be honest I've never tried a roland amp so I can't help you there. But if it has the frequency range to serve a number of instruments it might do your piezo justice

 

[Spudmurphy]

Spudman, could you post a pic of your set up, or PM me with all the details? I'm a bit fuzzy on stereo - vs. - Y cabling and using a splitter.....

Much appreciated everyone - I should have the MM making lots of noise by tomorrow night!

Rauschbo

Oakley doakley

Here's a pic of my Marshall 50 and AER side by side.

The splitter box was simply made (the Fishman sticker is purely cosmetic)

You take the stereo out from the guitar into the input of the Splitter box.
Then its a mono cable out of the splitter into the AER and a second Mono cable out of the splitter into the Marshall (Via the Pod XT into the return loop of the Marshall which effectively becomes a "bad boy power amp" )

Nothing to it!! The prince of Darkness would be proud of me

 

[Spudmurphy]

What model of AER do you have?
My dad has a compact 60...piezo into that, mags into an Engl Screamer 50 = musical heaven

I'd definitely suggest two amps of some sort, or you'll miss out on some cool piezo/mags with distortion-sounds.

Hey nice one Dead-Eye - yeah it's the 60 watt AER. It is incredible that something that size puts out soooooo much!!

Aren't they amazing?

Spud

OOps - thread hijacking alert sorry !!

 

[beej]

The prince of Darkness would be proud of me [/B]

Provided there are no ground loops, the prince is proud

 

[Spudmurphy]

^

 

[Rauschbo]

YES! While I cannot believe that the delivery guy left this beauty unattended on my front porch, IT'S HERE!

.....it's even better than I had dreamed it would be, and I had EXTREMELY high expectations!

Thanks, BP (et. al.), you truly make a work of art in your guitars...

Now....to try and find an acoustic amp, splitter, some cables.....

Thanks everyone for the input and advice on how to fire this beauty up, I cannot WAIT to get everything hooked up; Spudmurphy, a special thanks to you for the patience (!) and details / pics -

Rauschbo

 

[73h Nils]

IT'S HERE! Rauschbo

I don't believe you...

 

[Spudmurphy]

YES! While I cannot believe that the delivery guy left this beauty unattended on my front porch, IT'S HERE!



Now....to try and find an acoustic amp, splitter, some cables.....
Spudmurphy, a special thanks to you for the patience (!) and details / pics -

Rauschbo

Thanks for the "thanks" - now where's the damn pics

Any problems PM me.
Spudly