Hendog
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OK. So I cant drop D a floating trem on the fly... Can I drop D a 1 way trem on the fly? What EBMM should I get that I can drop D on the fly and be able to dive bomb???
Question Follow Up to my Drop D issue
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Stratty316
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You can get an Axis or a Steve Morse (With Floyd) and equip them with the EVH D-Tuna... it works amazingly well. I have one on my Gold Axis and it was maybe a 20 minute install. Basically it is a cylinder that attaches to the low E fine tuner on your Floyd... pull it out you are in D, back in and you are at E again. Depending on where you get the D-tuna it is about a $30-40 part.
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Hendog
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I had someone tell me that a D-Tuna will not work with a floating trem.
That is correct - it won't work with a FLOATING trem. It will work if you block the trem so it doesn't float. You can do this with a block of wood or metal, or with the 'Tremol-No' that was mentioned in your other thread.
Keep in mind that 'floating' doesn't necessarily refer to the TYPE of trem (Floyd, Musicman, Petrucci, etc.). It just means that the trem is not resting against the guitar body when you're not using the whammy bar - meaning you can pull up on the bar as well as push down on it. The D-Tuna doesn't work if the trem is not set up to be stable against the guitar body when you're not using the bar. The D-Tuna is just a fancy slider that releases the tension on the low E string a specified amount - to drop it to D. While it is adjustable, it does do the same thing as manually detuning - so if the trem is floating, it will send the other strings out of whack the same as if you had manually detuned the E to D.
Hope this helps.
Mike
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Hendog
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If I never go up anyway and only use my trem for dive bombing, will a 1 way trem solve this dilemma? And if so, does the trem that comes on the Silo go 1 way or is it floating???
OR...
Will a 1 way trem NOT solve my Drop D issue?
Hendog
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So just to confirm (sorry, I have gotten myself so confused at this point I dont even know what we are talking about anymore) if I go from E to D using a guitar with a 1 way tremolo, I will not have to retune the entire guitar? What trems are 1 way?
By the way, thanks for all the great info.
Hehe...lemme try this again.
Yes, you are correct. Assuming we're talking about Music Man guitars here, if the trem sits on the body when at rest and can only be pushed 'down' (ie: to lower the string pitch), then detuning the E to D shouldn't affect the other strings.
All the trems on Music Man guitars (correct me if I'm wrong guys) can be set up to float or not float. It's just harder on some than others. With the standard Music Man trem, you just need to set up the guitar so that the trem is sitting on the body when when at rest. For a Floyd or a Petrucci trem, you'd have to put some kind of a block inside the trem cavity - because they are routed such that they can't sit on the body when at rest.
If you're still interested in the D-Tuna, it can only be installed on a Floyd (after it has been blocked.)
Note - the reason I said 'as long as we're talking about Music Man guitars' above is because there are a lot of other brands that have 'vintage' trem systems that go out of tune all the time. I can think of one major F brand off the top of my head. I can't say that they'd stay in tune if you messed with the low E. Music Man uses locking tuners and better quality parts (my opinion) - which does a much better job (again my opinion).
Mike
Yes, you are correct. Assuming we're talking about Music Man guitars here, if the trem sits on the body when at rest and can only be pushed 'down' (ie: to lower the string pitch), then detuning the E to D shouldn't affect the other strings.
All the trems on Music Man guitars (correct me if I'm wrong guys) can be set up to float or not float. It's just harder on some than others. With the standard Music Man trem, you just need to set up the guitar so that the trem is sitting on the body when when at rest. For a Floyd or a Petrucci trem, you'd have to put some kind of a block inside the trem cavity - because they are routed such that they can't sit on the body when at rest.
If you're still interested in the D-Tuna, it can only be installed on a Floyd (after it has been blocked.)
Note - the reason I said 'as long as we're talking about Music Man guitars' above is because there are a lot of other brands that have 'vintage' trem systems that go out of tune all the time. I can think of one major F brand off the top of my head. I can't say that they'd stay in tune if you messed with the low E. Music Man uses locking tuners and better quality parts (my opinion) - which does a much better job (again my opinion).
Mike
Stratty316
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I know the Axis is not a floating trem and the D-Tuna works perfectly with it. Am I wrong in thinking the Morse is a non floating Floyd? Neither has a factory route under the Floyd and therefore sit flush to the body when not in use. Yeah, the D-Tuna doesn't work with a floating trem unless it is blocked, but my understanding of the question was what MusicMan guitars would the D-Tuna work with. The Axis and the Morse would require no modifications to allow the D-tuna to work... making them a floating trem is a whole other story.
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Thanks Stratty - that's exactly why I said to correct me. I wasn't aware that there were any Floyds without the routing under the trem. I stand corrected.
Mike
Stratty316
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only the good ones... haha... and no worries I just hope I didn't come off as a jerk. I re-read my post and thought I sounded a little pissy... haha
spychocyco
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I have no problems going drop D on the fly with my Axis. I don't have a D-Tuna. When I string it up, I just leave enough play in the fine tuner to take it to D. Never had any issues.
Hendog
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I think I am clear. I just need to get a 1 way trem that rests against the body of the guitar and then I can drop D on the fly.
I dont like the Axis (sharp arm edge). So the Morse is the guitar? Does anyone know if the trem on a Silo (my second favorite MM to the Petrucci which it sounds like it will not work) rest against the body?
I dont like the Axis (sharp arm edge). So the Morse is the guitar? Does anyone know if the trem on a Silo (my second favorite MM to the Petrucci which it sounds like it will not work) rest against the body?
ScoobySteve
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Aren't all EBMM Vintage Trem's 2 point trems?
I assume you could Drop D on the fly.
If I'm mistaken, please someone correct me.
I assume you could Drop D on the fly.
If I'm mistaken, please someone correct me.
You could, but if the trem floats (regardless of the number of contact points), releasing the tension on the low E will increase the tension on the other strings (throwing them out of tune).
Mike
Hendog
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Would a Digitech Whammy solve this entire problem for me and I could just continue to use my hardtail guitars???
Stratty316
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Im not sure if the trem on the Silo is set to float or not from the factory... but it can easily be tightened to set flush to the body much in the same way you would a Strat. So, Drop D would not be a problem... keep in mind that the D-Tuna will only work on a Floyd Rose Trem so you will have to use the tuning keys on the headstock of the Silo to drop to D. But the Silo is an amazing guitar and totally worth the extra effort... of course with 2 guitars why not just tune one to Drop D and leave the other in Standard for gigs? Then who needs to worry about it at all?
phatduckk
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any MM except the JP can have the trem setup to be "one way". The JP is the only floating trem. The vintage trem on the Luke, Silhouette, Silhouette Special, Axis Sport & AL can rest on the body... Also there's the flloyd on the Morse, Y2D and Axis which also rests against the body
