mynan
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Maybe, but I think part of the equation is time taken away from more profitable work...and it probably takes more time to build a lefty.
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Maybe, but I think part of the equation is time taken away from more profitable work...and it probably takes more time to build a lefty.
drTStingray
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The statement is astonishing as it comes over that it's an impediment to have to spend money catering for this category of customer. I don't think that's what was intended because EBMM is a very customer focussed company.
EBMM does a reasonable amount for lefties - one or two of the bigger companies do comparatively less - there are one or two others who do loads more. Fact.
I for one think they have it about right.
I still have never understood why you can't order a 2 band SR4H leftie though........
mynan
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I guess anything could be astonishing taken out of context, but taking the statement in context, which is that it followed several reasonable explanations, I don't think it comes over the way you described...IMO, of course.
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drTStingray
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You've misunderstood completely - the cause of my astonishment is that some customers may be viewed as a costly neccessity (or nuisance?!?). I don't have any doubt the facts are totally correct.
I believe I actually do know the answer for this one... someone can correct me if I'm wrong (it wouldn't be the first time
).Other than the obvious things like the body and neck, the preamps are one of the other things that cannot be easily "flipped" to fit in a lefty control cavity.
As seen in the pic below, the PCB is shaped like the control cavity itself, not allowing it to be flipped...
I'm assuming that in this particular case, the lower demand for the 2-band EQ does not justify the extra cost to have a completely different preamp manufactured JUST for that purpose.
And, yes... it does suck.
mynan
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Note I edited my post. I still don't agree with your take on the statement. It's got nothing to do with the customer, it's the process involved.
Psycho Ward
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We lefties are a small group, until we start ordering way more basses and become a bigger piece of the pie, well...
That said, EBMM does give us quite a line up of their products, more than anyone else. Sure some of the custom booteek builders will make anything in a lefty, but I don't feel right playing a bass that cost more than the car I drove to the gig in.
Don't get me wrong I've lobbied hard for our cause, I'd love to be able to get everything the right handers can. I keep hope that more will come our way. I'd buy a lefty Big Al S/S/S this second!
That said, EBMM does give us quite a line up of their products, more than anyone else. Sure some of the custom booteek builders will make anything in a lefty, but I don't feel right playing a bass that cost more than the car I drove to the gig in.
Don't get me wrong I've lobbied hard for our cause, I'd love to be able to get everything the right handers can. I keep hope that more will come our way. I'd buy a lefty Big Al S/S/S this second!
Kristopher
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Sorry to come off that way, but after doing the message-board thang for a number of years, nothing gets my giblets in a bunch more than someone coming into a thread of ANY kind and giving lessons on search function usage... especially when they didn't answer the question and do it in a condescending way.
I dunno... I just think it's lame. Sorry.
Actually, I'm the one who should apologize. I came off as a bit condescending. Sorry for that.
Aussie Mark
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Your question WAS answered, via a direct quotation from the CEO of the company. Any of us who have ever worked in the manufacturing industry will understand exactly what BP is getting at - tooling up for small model runs is expensive and usually unprofitable, and is generally only offered for the sake of being able to provide a more complete model range for the market, vis:
Originally Posted by Big Poppa
Here is the scoop with leftys
1.It takes the same amount of design and tooling effort as a righty with 98% fewer sales.
2. The molds and dies used to make the hardware cost the same as a righty with 98% fewer sales.
3. when ordering minimum quantities of the lefty parts from those molds usually entails investing in parts that take years to use up. When you invest in righty molds and tooling you know you will use those molds forever and many amnay times bringing the cost of the molds way down. With Leftys you reorder form those molds almost never.
4.Other than specialty lefty only dealers, regular dealers wont order them unless they are apecial ordered.
We started not charging any additional for lefty but could not continue due to lack of demand. We pretty much offer them as a cost of being in the guitar business.
Good question
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BP's comments, although helpful, do not answer my specific question.
This thread is NOT about tooling up for an entirely different model... I'm not asking for a Big Al. I understand why certain right-handed models that might not sell as well in the first place, are cost prohibitive to offer as lefties.
That makes total sense to me... I get it.
This thread, however, is about offering HH and HS pickup configs on bodies that are already being made.
From what I understand from talking to various builders, once you're tooled up to run a body and route ONE pickup hole... there is no reason why you can't route a second hole.
Don't even sweat it... I came across kind of lame after re-reading it today, too.
Nope... sorry, but it wasn't.
BP's comments, although helpful, do not answer my specific question.
This thread is NOT about tooling up for an entirely different model... I'm not asking for a Big Al. I understand why certain right-handed models that might not sell as well in the first place, are cost prohibitive to offer as lefties.
That makes total sense to me... I get it.
This thread, however, is about offering HH and HS pickup configs on bodies that are already being made.
From what I understand from talking to various builders, once you're tooled up to run a body and route ONE pickup hole... there is no reason why you can't route a second hole.
oli@bass
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Just FYI: The cavities for the dual PU StingRay models are completely different from the single PU model. Battery compartment is at a different place. And there is a much larger cavity for the preamp/electronics. Completely different CNC program...
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Ahhhh.... ok, now we're getting somewhere.
Thanks for that info.
I was under the impression that the the H, HH, and HS were identical other than the 3 or 5-way switch and the extra pickup.
I guess I still don't understand why different tooling would be needed to change the cavity sizes, etc... and as far as what the CNC needs, it seems like it would just be a mirror image of whatever is used for righties and everything... hmmmm...
I guess I need to research the process more.
But thanks for your help.
Ahhhh.... ok, now we're getting somewhere.
Thanks for that info.
I was under the impression that the the H, HH, and HS were identical other than the 3 or 5-way switch and the extra pickup.
I guess I still don't understand why different tooling would be needed to change the cavity sizes, etc... and as far as what the CNC needs, it seems like it would just be a mirror image of whatever is used for righties and everything... hmmmm...
I guess I need to research the process more.
But thanks for your help.
