Li Pie

[tommyindelaware]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98y0Q7nLGWk&feature=related"]YouTube - Paganini_Caprice_no_24[/ame]

 

[Ricman]

Great talent......we should all club together and buy her a JP7 and a Mesa Triple.

 

[Multiversal]

Man.. I totally lol'd at the d-bag comparing her to John Petrucci and saying that he's a level above her. I love John Petrucci, but to compare the two is just ridiculous. Apples and oranges, man.

Here is the Wikipedia entry on her. Li Jie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She's really incredible. I first saw that video a year or so ago.

 

[RobW]

she's a monster

and yeah, it's hilarious how every guitar vid on youtube ends up with a "player a is better than player b" argument in the comments. Every single one of them.

 

[Meedleyx10]

it's Li Jie actually

That's the only video of hers I really like. I ran across her originally when I found her video of "koyunbaba" and was far less than impressed. Not a bad player though.

 

[Jonny Dubai]

Sweet playing.

 

[tommyindelaware]

i'm a far cry from a classical buff. i just found this clip very impressive & fun too watch.

it's Li Jie actually

That's the only video of hers I really like. I ran across her originally when I found her video of "koyunbaba" and was far less than impressed. Not a bad player though.

 

[fbecir]

Great playing ... but in 7min43 she never smiles ... Pleasure or performance ?

 

[DJ.]

Yes, I enjoyed her talent but her lack of visible expression and feeling was quite evident.

 

[Multiversal]

How can you guys say that she isn't playing with any feeling? Asian culture is much different than ours, and their ways of expressing themselves is much different.. and to assume that she isn't feeling it just because she expresses herself differently is really ignorant.

You don't have to breathe obnoxiously or make faces to feel music. It can be an internal and personal experience. John Myung is a great example of this.

Playing this sort of music requires a discipline and concentration that is not required by playing rock music. Especially a ****in Paganini piece like this.. if I laughed or smiled once I would surely screw up, and this culture and style of music screwing up really isn't an option.

Come on, guys.

 

[tommyindelaware]

while it's very different from what i typically listen to.......i could feel what she was doing.

i also know i'm jealous of her technical prowess .

 

[Meedleyx10]

i'm a far cry from a classical buff. i just found this clip very impressive & fun too watch.

Yeah, that is a pretty cool clip and like I said, I don't think she's a terrible player. This piece is the kind of thing she's best at: a lot of speed/chops without a lot of other important musical aspects. She misses the feel of a lot of pieces by a longshot.

I didn't go through and read the comment on the video (for good reason, there are always retarded ones that just irritate me), but as retarded as it is to compare Petrucci to any classical guitarist, I will say that Petrucci is a far better rock guitarist than she is a classical guitarst.

 

[Multiversal]

Yeah, that is a pretty cool clip and like I said, I don't think she's a terrible player. This piece is the kind of thing she's best at: a lot of speed/chops without a lot of other important musical aspects. She misses the feel of a lot of pieces by a longshot.

I didn't go through and read the comment on the video (for good reason, there are always retarded ones that just irritate me), but as retarded as it is to compare Petrucci to any classical guitarist, I will say that Petrucci is a far better rock guitarist than she is a classical guitarst.

Dude, that's saying the same thing.. you're comparing them, and you can't. Also, did you not read my post on "feel" ??? You also seemingly missed my other post and felt the need to correct the man on her name even though I had already posted a Wikipedia article that spelled her name correctly.

I don't understand, dude. Her technique is nearly FLAWLESS.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlXlaOeYl2c"]YouTube - J.S. Bach - BWV1007 (Li Jie)[/ame]

 

[fbecir]

I don't understand, dude. Her technique is nearly FLAWLESS.

Of course her technique is incredible. I think she plays since she is 3 years old. But did she ever compose something ?
I started music with classical music (and a clarinet ...). The big problem is that you learn to be a MIDI player : you have to play exactly the notes. I am sure that with the modern technology, you can fake a virtuoso just with a computer.
The classical guys lost the main interest of music : do your own stuff. I like classical guitar (my daughter takes lessons). But if you look at the concert programs, most of the guys are just playing the common stuff : Bach, Sor, Tarrega. Most of them do not try to play the modern composers.
But it's worst with the other instruments. Some guy like Nigel Kennedy try to change the mentality but it's a long way...

 

[Meedleyx10]

I'm not comparing them in the sense that you're saying I am. While the two can't be directly compared, they are both musicians and can be judged similarly in various aspects. Sorry to have offended you so deeply by missing your post with the wikipedia link.

I did read your post on feel. I also disagree with it in relation to Li Jie. I didn't say she doesn't play with any feeling, I said she misses the feel of many of the pieces she plays by a long shot. Take note also, that I'm talking about more than just the one video posted in this thread (which I did say was good, if you had been paying attention). Listen to other recordings of more musical pieces she's done and listen to the same pieces recorded by other pieces. I reccomend doing this with Domeniconi's "Koyunbaba" and York's "Sunburst" (you can actually listen to York play this, which further illustrates my point). It's one thing to interpret pieces, but she completely abandons the feel, practifcally rewrites things with her "rubato", etc. My assessment of her feel has nothing to do with "obnoxious breathing" or "faces", it has to do with having listened to a lot of her recordings of a lot of different pieces (many of which I'm very familar with) and forming an opinion based on that. She's a boring performer and you don't need to see her to hear that. As someone who plays and listens to a lot of classical guitar (probably as much as I do anything else these days) in college (not to sound elitist, but it seems you need to qualify yourself before saying anything these days), maybe I'm just hearing things differently as we are listening to it from different perspectives. If you enjoy her than good for you, but there's really no need to get so defensive.

 

[Meedleyx10]

Of course her technique is incredible. I think she plays since she is 3 years old. But did she ever compose something ?
I started music with classical music (and a clarinet ...). The big problem is that you learn to be a MIDI player : you have to play exactly the notes. I am sure that with the modern technology, you can fake a virtuoso just with a computer.
The classical guys lost the main interest of music : do your own stuff. I like classical guitar (my daughter takes lessons). But if you look at the concert programs, most of the guys are just playing the common stuff : Bach, Sor, Tarrega. Most of them do not try to play the modern composers.
But it's worst with the other instruments. Some guy like Nigel Kennedy try to change the mentality but it's a long way...

This is simply wrong. It's a bad misconception that classical music is just a bunch of robotic notes on paper that have to be followed to a T or it's wrong. Listen to just two recordings of the same piece by different players. There's is no way you can imitate a virtuoso classical musician with a computer. I've never heard anything more innacurate in my life. Perhaps with etudes and caprices you could get close to the ballpark, but with actual (that term is to be taken with a grain of salt) pieces of music? Get real man. "Doing your own thing" might be the interest of most other forms of music, but the world of classical performing is a much much different beast. There aren't a lot of guys that can get by just doing their own stuff, it's just not as commonly accepted in the classical world (by peers or audiences). And what classical gutiar concerts are you attending? You'd be hard-pressed to go to any classical guitar recital and not hear a good amount of 20th century stuff.

*note: any hostility in this post is simply the result of me not feeling like going through and rewording things nicely. No offense is intended

 

[Meedleyx10]

to get back on topic.....


Again, I do think this video of hers is good. It's one of her few performances I like. IF anyone wants to check out more paganini on classical guitar, check out Elliot Fisk. There are videos of him on Youtube playing them quite horribly, but he's got a cd where he does all 24 of them. If the live performance I've heard are any indicator, it took quite a number of takes for him to record these, but the results are pretty impressive. I'm not a big fan of him overall (he has a tendency to sacrifice a lot of musically and tone in order to play pieces faster than anyone else does), but he really captures the spirit of the paganini stuff and pulls them off quite well.

 

[Multiversal]

For the sake of not starting a pissing contest, I'm not going to reply any more to this thread.

Silly condescending posts.

 

[Meedleyx10]

grow up dude. If you are taking the things I'm saying as arrogant or conceited then that's your problem. I'm simply speaking as someone with an experienced ear for this kind of stuff and if you can't handle the fact that people aren't going to agree with you all the time, then give up on the whole music thing.

Also, don't sit here and talk about not joining pissing contests or replying to this thread anymore, try to act like the bigger man, and then go on to harass me via PM.

 

[fbecir]

Peace my friends ...

Listen to what you want. But the story of Joyce Hatto can give you something to think about ....
Most of the time we are hearing what we want to hear.
If you want to hear a very good young classical guitarist, check [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIlPrX4W5XA"]YouTube - Thibault CAUVIN - Koyunbaba[/ame].
This guy is so good and he tries to play new stuff. Some composers like Atanas Ourkouzounov are composing new music for him.
He can play for his friends too. Just check [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-m0BWUfjGs"]YouTube - Thibault Cauvin - Rocktypicovin[/ame]

Of course, he can play Sor Bach Giuliani perfectly but he prefers to innovate ...