MM Axis SS vintage trem

[Danydad]

Hi Good Folks

Just wondered if you guys could help me out?
I bought my MM Axis SS used and so never got to see it in it's out of the box state. The trem is currently set flat to the body but I was wondering how these were set at the factory (i.e. floating?) and if so is it set in a certain way e.g. 3rd string rises a minor 3rd on a full upward pull?

Thanks in advance

 

[fbecir]

Hello

I believe that the Axis Tremolo you are talking about is a MusicMan tremolo. I have a SUB equipped with such a tremolo and you can adjust the clamp in order to have a floating tremolo. There was a recent thread on this topic :
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/46427-tremolo-setup.html

Thus you can have your minor 3rd on the G string

 

[threeminutesboy]

Hi Danny, I recommend you to check the thread about tremolo setting here http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/46427-tremolo-setup.html

factory setting is flat on the table but Luke setting for instance is floating you can do the one that suits your needs

 

[threeminutesboy]

damned, François your were quicker than me

 

[andynpeters]

They set them flat at the factory....I have no idea why

 

[Danydad]

Thanks, that's really neat, why don't all manufacturers do that with their floating trems? Ingenious!

I met a guy on a stand at a trade show nearly 20 years ago in Earl's Court London. His name is... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdTZFAMxDdc"]Thomas Blug[/ame], a terrific player, and he was saying how he had his trems to go up a minor 3rd on the G string; think he may have got the idea from Jeff Beck?

 

[beej]

You can set the MM vintage trem to float. The Luke pulls up a minor third on the G string as you describe, while the other models are set flat (down only). Pretty easy to set them up either way.

Btw ... what's with the Strat vid? This is the MM forum

 

[Danydad]

Btw ... what's with the Strat vid? This is the MM forum

Ooooops! Sorry

 

[Danydad]

Hold on there a second, to clear things up, is Verheyen suggesting that through biasing the loading on the springs it is possible to influence the amount of pitch shift on individual strings independently to a degree? I understand that the 3rd string will move further than the 2nd will move further than the 1st for the same amount of arm travel but, as I see it, it should not be possible to alter the different amount of pitch shift on individual strings to any significant amount? Unless, of course, the uneven spring loading is causing the trem to angle slightly when it is deployed. If that is the case, surely that can't be good for any fulcrum points as the load will be applied unevenly? Am I missing something? A few thousand brain cells perhaps

 

[fbecir]

A few thousand brain cells perhaps

No brain cells left here
But even if I can explain why, the Carl Verheyen setup works perfectly. I have setup my SUB like this and I am happy with the result.
I believe the explanation is complex. You have to consider the string tension (different for every string), the string elasticity, the forces but also the torque that apply on the vibrato.
Remember if you have an equilibrium that means that the sum of the forces, and torque, on each particle of the system is zero. Most of the time, we forget the torque in our reflexion.

You're sure you want to spent your week end on formulas