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I tested the Air Zone for a few rehearsals and while it was a good pickup, it really didn't have what i was looking for.

I decided to go the other direction and try a DiMarzio Crunch Lab. I used it during rehearsal tonight and put it through it's paces. I was using my Silhouette Special and my Bogner 101b.

My drummer's first impression?
"Holy crap, your rig is LOUD tonight! What are you trying out now?"

:D

In a nutshell: LOUD, smooth, ballsy, punchy, and dynamic.

I'll get the obvious out right away. This is a VERY loud pickup. Not as loud as the JB8, and not uncontrollable but almost. Very high output. I had to switch the amp to 100W mode in order to get a comfortable amount of headroom and then it was still pushing it occasionally.

In spite of it being loud, it's not compressed sounding. It's very dynamic feeling, reacts well to subtle input, and cleans up well. Under full gain it's extremely ballsy and punchy but never loses its tightness. This was especially appreciated during fast alternate picked palm mutes. It has a nice bloom to the sound when playing full or complex chords. It didn't feel hard or stiff or compressed at all... nice and open and very percussive. On both clean and dirty sounds the lows are big and tight, the mids are crisp and articulate, and the highs are defined but not shrill. Good balanced sound with a slight emphasis on the mids.

I installed it with the bar next to the bridge, where it's supposed to be a little brighter and better for drop tunings. With the bar forward towards the neck it's supposed to be smoother and a little louder. I don't know if I could handle it the other way, as it's already a beast this way! I set the pickup height about where I'd normally have it for something like a JB and had to back it off quite a bit. This pickup is very sensitive to how close it is to the strings as well. I tweaked it until I found the sweet spot for it.

I usually don't go for ceramic magnet pickups but this one really has me impressed. I might try an A8 magnet in it for good measure. I think I'll keep this around a bit and see how it goes.
 

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Just be careful when you try to replace the mag on that Crunch Lab.

Because the pickup has a solid bar, not slugs, the mag will be held in place by some sort of epoxy.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend changing it. It's already loud and punchy now with the ceramic mag, smooth highs, A8 will make it too 'CHANG'-y. Upper register harsh-y, I reckon.
 

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Just be careful when you try to replace the mag on that Crunch Lab.

Because the pickup has a solid bar, not slugs, the mag will be held in place by some sort of epoxy.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend changing it. It's already loud and punchy now with the ceramic mag, smooth highs, A8 will make it too 'CHANG'-y. Upper register harsh-y, I reckon.

I don't think I will on THIS one. I wouldn't want to risk botching a perfectly good pickup so odds are I'd buy a second one (preferably used) and try it on that one. That way my guitar still works and if I screw up then no harm to it and I don't feel as bad. I could also try it with a D-Sonic as well.

I've performed mags swaps on a lOT of Duncan buckers and a few DiMarzios as well. Some Dmz's have the magnet secured to the baseplate with expoy like you said but you can still get them out if you're careful.

I find that in general, taking a pickup with a ceramic magnet and changing it to an Alnico 8 retains the same basic tone and power of the pickup, but you get a little more Alnico flavored crunch on the top end and a little more sag in the response. This may or may not work for the sound, so the only way to know is to try it.

The Duncan SH5 Custom, for example, sounds AMAZING with an A8 magnet.
 

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.... This may or may not work for the sound, so the only way to know is to try it.

Mod the hell out it brother!

Actual pickup mods; had never actually considered that.

I keep promising to flip my D Sonic so the bar is to the bridge, this might get me moving.
 

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Actual pickup mods; had never actually considered that.

My main musical online hangout these days is the Seymour Duncan board. Modding pickups by changing magnets has been a popular thing to do for several years among the members there. That's actually how the C5 was created. The forum guys took a Custom and replaced the ceramic mag with an Alnico 5 one and it became such a popular mod that Duncan made a production model out of it.

Magnets cost $5-7 and it's a cheap and easy way to experiment with new sounds. I get my magnets from Welcome to Wymore Guitars - Quality Products at Affordable Prices

Recently mods with Alnico 8 mags have been popular as well as making hybrid pickups - combining the coils of two separate pickups. It's actually not that hard to do!
 

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I hate the DiMarzios that use epoxy, it makes changing the magnet a huge pain. I broke a ceramic magnet in half on a super distortion before I was aware of the strength of that stuff and took the proper precautions.
 

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I hate the DiMarzios that use epoxy, it makes changing the magnet a huge pain. I broke a ceramic magnet in half on a super distortion before I was aware of the strength of that stuff and took the proper precautions.

Bringing this thread back up... I've got a second (used) CL on the way and plan on doing some mag swap surgery on it. What precautions did you take?
 

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wait... your power-amp wattage switch has an effect on preamp headroom?

I should clarify... at the levels I play at, 50W power mode was getting me a liiiiittle too much clip from the power tubes. I'm not a huge fan of power tube distortion for modernish tones - I like a little bit, but not too much. 100W mode allowed me to get as loud as i needed to be and not have too much power tube clip going on.
 

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You treated it like a D Sonic and flipped it?? Odd.

*shrugs* :D

I'm currently using it that way and liking it a ton. Only reason being because that's the way I first used my DSonic when I had it and wanted an apples-to-apples comparison. Next time I change strings I'll flip it bar-side to the neck. DiMarzio says it's ouder and warmer that way... I can't imagine this pickup being any louder and still being controllable!
 

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I just figured it was meant to be installed bar to neck, no matter what, just because JP has it like that even in the 7 string. It obviously would change the tone, though.
 

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The "victim" Crunch Lab arrived today.

Honestly I'm no klutz when It comes to pickups, I've taken them apart, put them back together, made hybrids, etc. But it's all with non-DiMarzio brands that don't glue their ish down.

I'm a little apprehensive about risking destroying a perfectly good pickup, and a very nice-sounding one at that.

I wonder if DiMarzio would make me a CL with an Alnico 8 magnet as a one-off? I'll ask. Worst they can say is no.
 
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Got an email back from DiMarzio today after mailing them last night. They said that no, they do not offer customized pickups. What a shame.

So whaddya think? Should I risk a perfectly good CL for science?

I'm gonna wait to see how the Afwayu I just got works out in my guitars... if it does I may wanna get the neck version to match it.
 

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Seems kinda pointless to me, but it's your $$ and time.

I thought about it... I'm not gonna do it.

I need the money for an overdrive pedal and a new bridge pickup (a white one at the very least) for my Sterling and a neck pickup for another set I'm building. If I didn't need to do that I'd go ahead and mod it, but not this time.

Anyone want a black CL with 11 inches of lead left? :D
 
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