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Rush

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Here we go.. this is going to detail in short form my experience in getting this Silver Sparkle that is now on it's way to EB for a new paint job.

Got a tip off here that a Silver Sparkle was for sale. I checked out the tip and the guitar was located at House of Guitars in San Antonio, Texas. I called the place up and first asked about the price. They told me it had been lowered and was now at $1250. I then proceeded to ask very detailed questions about the guitar such as Stress Cracks, Fitted or Universal Case, Condition, whether or not it had been played very much. I was told the following by an employee named named Sergio after detailing each and every question to him and what he should be looking for.

1) The guitar is brand new
2) No I have it right in front of me and it has no stress cracks
3) I've never seen anyone playing this in the store
4) Yes the case is fitted

So I got the serial and sent it to Scott here.. he came back and told me this:

David,

Thanks for contacting Music Man. Your guitar left our factory on 4-26-04.

Regards,
Scott

On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 11:41, David wrote:
> Just curious if you could tell me the details of this guitar was when
> it was manufactured. Thanks
>
> Serial: G19568

The actual date we checked again after it arrived was the same exact date but in the year 2002. It was a legitimate mistake. ;)

So I'm thinking it was new and the last of it's kind or something. I thought about it and then called back the next day. I got on the phone with a guy named Michael and he was very cool and helpful. Having already discussed the details with another associate I jumped right into the purchase with Mike. He got the price knocked down to $1105 for me and I decided to order it. I also mentioned to him that I was going to be getting a fully loaded 7-string Petrucci soon and wanted to see what they could offer me on one. I had him quote me on a 'fully loaded Petrucci 7-string in Radiance Red'. He came back and said considering I just bought a guitar from them that I'd be getting a deal and quoted me $1529 on the guitar.

I told him I'd think about it and called back the next day. I had decided to go with the same color that was on the six string I already had (Sapphire Black) and I asked if that would knock the price down $100 for not having a color upcharge. He agreed and quoted me $1429 on the fully loaded model. I must have gotten him to confirm the quote and the order with me 10 times over the course of two more days before I decided to jump on it just to make sure.

After pretty much being convinced by the company that the deal was going throigh I put my brand new sapphire black six string on ebay and sold it that day. I then had the cash to put down on the new 7-string and I called them up to place the order. He took down my info again, got everything ready and we agreed once again on the quote of $1429 for the fully loaded guitar. He needed to verify some things and called me back listing the order, the quote and everything we had discussed in detail except he didn't mention the guitar coming with the custom inlays. I told him to make sure they were on there because a 'fully loaded' model had them and he siad he would call me back.

I got a call back in 10 minutes saying that there had been a price discrepancy and that the best he could do on the guitar was $1849!!!! You can imagine how frustrated and annoyed I got having just sold my other guitar to buy this one!
I of course gave him the third degree and asked about the 'deal' I was supposed to be getting for just purchasing another guitar and the fact that the inlays wouldn't raise the cost by $400. He told me his hands were tied and that the management wouldn't budge. I told him I could beat that price with no problem at Indoor Storm and he said he would try to match it. He called back about 15 minutes later telling me that the management simply would not even match the price and would go any lower than $1849.

I was VERY PISSED off at this point and just put my order in at Indoor Storm.

Now a few days later my Silver Sparkle arrives and the first thing I do is inspect it for stress cracks. BAM! they are there on both sides of the neck. Along with that the case was not 'fitted' as he told me and the guitar looks like it's been played more than lightly. The strings were wound around the pegs to boot! I was about to explode when I called them back and demanded a refund on my purchase.

I wanted to keep the guitar because I had searched for a sparkle for quite a while and negotiated a $200 refund on it bringing my price down to $905.

I just sent it to EB to get the stress cracks addressed. I'm also having them do the neck seal and fret level and also tweak the action down to 1/32". I can't wait to get it back because despite the problems that guitar felt the best out of the three others I've owned!

Anyway.. the kicker is that the employee Michael called me on his cell phone raising hell about the management putting a 22 year old in charge that has no idea about selling guitars. He also ranted and raved that they never would let him cut any deals and that they were always bitching about the store being a ghost town 95% of the time. He said he was putting in his two weeks after this incident and apologized to me profusely for everything for about 30 minutes!

So.. be very aware if you ever deal with that particular dealer!

Here are pics of the stress cracks and the guitar. And Jonzguitarz I know your a busy guy, but please fix her up nice so I can play! I am out a guitar for a month and all I have right now is an electric acoustic! I'm really looking forward to getting it back and being blown away by all of the great things I've heard!

Stress Cracks

Silver Sparkle Gallery


Sorry for the long post! :)
 
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koogie2k

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Well, you are right about one thing. You have to be careful with who you deal with. Especially when you are talking to a "salesman" who is gonna fib a little to make a sale. You got duped a little bit here buddy. Such is life sometimes. I think once it gets finished at EBMM, you will be a happy dude. I am sure EBMM will take care of ya!

As for Michael.....if he did what he said he was gonna do....good on him. This happens though.

Hope it all works out for ya. I know about not being able to play for a month or so. I had a shoulder injury and my guitars were sitting here looking at me! Talk about rubbin' salt in the wounds!! hehehe
 

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Thanks for sharing. We are here for you.

I love Rush! (the canadian rick trio)
 

OrangeChannel

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I called those clowns over there a few months ago about that same one (remember Koogs....?) and they gave me a price well in excess of $1300 (methinks it was closer to $1500 tho' when I posted on another forum about it I posted $1350), in my case they said ti was brand new and never played but something didn't jibe about what they were saying so I let it go.

To boot, I had a similar experience (with an excellent dealer in my case) with the once over on one of my guitars but EBMM fixed that. The cases aren't "fitted" in that they don't grab the axe like a glove, there is play and the guitar can move a little....a rough trip from UPS can cause that with impunity! (I thnk it's a contest over there.....especially if they see a fragile sticker.

Good Luck with it dude.

Late!

JZ
 

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Rush, I feel for you man I really do. I'm having the same sort of experience with Musicians Friend, which I found out is really just, yes, Guitar Center!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew there was a reason that I didn't like them. Anyway, I have a Silver Sparkle Axis and man I have to say that I love it way more than my Blue Dawn Axis. I had a great online experience when I bought the Silver Sparkle Axis online. It was in awesome shape and I must have gotten spolied from the experience, because when I bought the Blue Dawn Axis online from Royal Music in NY it was anything but. The guitar didn't come with the extra springs or the allen wrench, which I realized I could go out an get myself. I was told that the guitar was in a back room and had never been played, yah right!! It had finger marks all over it and the case doesn't close right. Needless to say it wasn't anything like my first online purchase, but I digress.

You got a great instrument, EBMM will more than likely take care of you, enjoy it and remember what you've learned.

Later, Glenn |B)
 

darincabell

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Hmmm...I have ordered 2 guitars from them, but they weren't previously in the shop. I gave them the specs and they ordered 'em from EB and they're supposed to get to me sometime between November and December I think. Do I have something to be worried about if we're getting them from EB special order, or is it just a problem with something already in the store?

I have been in the store and I saw the Silver Sparkle. It was listed at $1200-1250 range when I saw it a couple months ago.

This is kinda freakin' me out now. What a way to start the day!!
 

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Seems "All that glitters, is not gold."

Sorry :eek:

Hope things work out. Pretty rare and beautiful guitar though.
 

Rush

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kbaim said:
Seems "All that glitters, is not gold."

Sorry :eek:

Hope things work out. Pretty rare and beautiful guitar though.

Tis true... I decided to seek out this particular color while I was at the Petrucci clinic recently. A fan had brought one with him and the color blew me away with it's ability to change colors based on whatever light was hitting it. You can see it looking like a gold sparkle in my gallery, and I've also seen it look red and blue. Plus at $905 it's a killer price! Awesome stuff! :D
 

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GWDavis28 said:
Rush, I feel for you man I really do. I'm having the same sort of experience with Musicians Friend, which I found out is really just, yes, Guitar Center!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew there was a reason that I didn't like them. Anyway, I have a Silver Sparkle Axis and man I have to say that I love it way more than my Blue Dawn Axis. I had a great online experience when I bought the Silver Sparkle Axis online. It was in awesome shape and I must have gotten spolied from the experience, because when I bought the Blue Dawn Axis online from Royal Music in NY it was anything but. The guitar didn't come with the extra springs or the allen wrench, which I realized I could go out an get myself. I was told that the guitar was in a back room and had never been played, yah right!! It had finger marks all over it and the case doesn't close right. Needless to say it wasn't anything like my first online purchase, but I digress.

You got a great instrument, EBMM will more than likely take care of you, enjoy it and remember what you've learned.

Later, Glenn |B)


Yeah, interesting how that works when all the Musician's Friend retail stores all closed down years ago and turned into guitar center....
 

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Yeah OC...I remeber. Basically...dude got taken and that is unfortunate. Just beware of what's out there and who you deal with. Sad people can't be trusted anymore...... :(
 

darincabell

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I mentioned a few posts earlier that I have a couple guitars that I'm waiting for EB to send to the House of Guitars. From what I've seen around here, everyone looks out for each other, so I'm looking for some thoughts and opinions from ya'll.

I special ordered two guitars.

1) Silhouette Special, Vintage Sunburst, Matching Headstock, HSS, Standard, Piezo for about $1510...completely paid for...waiting for arrival from Ernie Ball.
2) Petrucci 6 string, Black, Matching Headstock, Piezo for $1722.92. I have paid $800...waiting for arrival from Ernie Ball.

These seem pretty reasonable to me especially with the piezo and matching headstock. I bought my other Petrucci originally for $1800 (from another dealer) with neither the piezo or matching headstock.

Do ya'll think I have anything to be worried about? I mean, I'm in the same town...I'd go pick it up personally...so I wonder if being here in town will decrease some of the potential headaches?

Rush, I'm sorry you had such a hard time in your dealings with them. That definitely sucks.
 

Rush

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darincabell said:
I mentioned a few posts earlier that I have a couple guitars that I'm waiting for EB to send to the House of Guitars. From what I've seen around here, everyone looks out for each other, so I'm looking for some thoughts and opinions from ya'll.

I special ordered two guitars.

1) Silhouette Special, Vintage Sunburst, Matching Headstock, HSS, Standard, Piezo for about $1510...completely paid for...waiting for arrival from Ernie Ball.
2) Petrucci 6 string, Black, Matching Headstock, Piezo for $1722.92. I have paid $800...waiting for arrival from Ernie Ball.

These seem pretty reasonable to me especially with the piezo and matching headstock. I bought my other Petrucci originally for $1800 (from another dealer) with neither the piezo or matching headstock.

Do ya'll think I have anything to be worried about? I mean, I'm in the same town...I'd go pick it up personally...so I wonder if being here in town will decrease some of the potential headaches?

Rush, I'm sorry you had such a hard time in your dealings with them. That definitely sucks.

I wouldn't be too worried if you put in orders over there. Those prices can be beat, so you might check out Indoor Storm next time you order one. They usually have some nice stock.

Good Luck!
 

koogie2k

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I think being in the actual location makes it harder for a "salesman" to give you a BS story on a guitar that you can only "see" from a phone. I think if a dude in my local area tried to scam me....well......he would be swimming with some of my buddies where the sharks hang out......

I think you will be okay in that you dealt with them personally. BTW...my family lives in San Antonio.......great place. :D
 

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Thanks ya'll for the input...I appreciate it.

koogie2k, I think that I remember you mentioning before that SA was your hometown...that's pretty cool....I'm here until March, then I'm off to LA Music Academy.
 

koogie2k

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Cool man....good luck in school. Wish I had done it. Hope you graduate and become a guitar god...then I will bug you for autographs and free merch! ;)
 
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