OT: Once again brothers in the UK...

[Psychicpet]

Guys, really sorry to hear the news again today about more bombings. Really hope you're all well and that friends and family alike are well too.
will raise one for you tonight.

p.

 

[Psycho Ward]

I hope all our UK brothers are OK, my thoughts are with you.

We are coming over tomorrow night, be there Saturday and stay a week, we ain't afraid!



Psycho

 

[AnthonyD]

Once again, thoughts and prayers with our friends across the pond...

NYC begins random searches of folks and their bags in the subway tomorrow AM...

 

[Bowks]

We were lucky these attempts were carried out by morons! From the sounds of it, the only injured person was the idoit 'bomber' who probably blew his bollocks off when the detonator went off in his rucksack, which he had on his lap!

 

[LeftyLB]

Then to cap it all the armed police pumped 5 rounds into an innocent Brazilians head on the underground on Friday morning.

They are saying now that he probably thought he was being followed by muggers as they never at any point shouted out to him that they were armed police. He must have panicked when he sense he was being followed and paid for it with his life.

That's the sort of thing that is gonna happen when everyone is so jumpy over here now. I can tell you, it is one thing to state that "we are not afraid" but there are a lot of jumpy looking people watching each other on the tube every day now - myself included.

Everyone keep safe. I have a meeting in Russell Sq tomorrow morning, exactly where the bus blew up. Nice!

 

[bovinehost]

Then to cap it all the armed police pumped 5 rounds into an innocent Brazilians head on the underground on Friday morning.

We have reached a very interesting point in this war against terror. With suicide bombers, you can't wait until they act and then waltz in and arrest them. There must be preventive action taken if innocent lives are to be saved.

This has quite a few people in quite a few important places asking what this means to law enforcement.

The death of this poor guy on the tube is regrettable - but understandable.

He exits a house that is under surveillance. He is wearing clothing that could easily conceal explosives. He refuses to stop - and so far, I haven't heard that the police failed to identify themselves. He takes further evasive action (leaping turnstiles).

You can imagine the cops asking themselves, "What are his plans and what are our responsibilities to public safety?"

Anyway, it's a tough thing for everyone and no one in their right mind wants to see this sort of thing happen, and yet - it is understandable in light of the recent events in London.

 

[AnthonyD]

I am reluctant to feed the fires of political discussion, but you nailed it Jack... 100%...

 

[LeftyLB]

We have reached a very interesting point in this war against terror. With suicide bombers, you can't wait until they act and then waltz in and arrest them. There must be preventive action taken if innocent lives are to be saved.

This has quite a few people in quite a few important places asking what this means to law enforcement.

The death of this poor guy on the tube is regrettable - but understandable.

He exits a house that is under surveillance. He is wearing clothing that could easily conceal explosives. He refuses to stop - and so far, I haven't heard that the police failed to identify themselves. He takes further evasive action (leaping turnstiles).

You can imagine the cops asking themselves, "What are his plans and what are our responsibilities to public safety?"

Anyway, it's a tough thing for everyone and no one in their right mind wants to see this sort of thing happen, and yet - it is understandable in light of the recent events in London.

Bovine, you hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, we have to accept this is gonna happen from time to time. The latest we hear is that they didn't - but that is not confirmed and may never be. However, if the cops thought that by revealing themselves by shouting they were armed police, the potential bomber might detonate, they probably don't have much choice. You have to take him down permanently.

 

[azzy_wazzy]

We had exactly the same responses from people back in the 80s and early 90s with the IRA... there was one occasion where a bloke came out of a pub (I think in Belfast) and he was carrying a table leg that looked just like a sawn off shot gun (bizarre but true!). The police identified themselves and told him to drop the "gun". Being drunk, this bloke turned towards them, and thinking they were about to get shot, the police opened fire and killed the guy.

Needless to say the family then sued the police - but they werent to know what he was carrying! In the height of the IRA campaign everyone could understand it - and I think most people do now - as has been said, it's tragic, but until the police develop x-ray specs, you have to be safe rather than sorry.

What a messed up world we live in where this is even necessary! And unlike before, I doubt the current terrorists are going to offer a ceasefire and to lay down their arms!

 

[roballanson]

It is an interesting twist in the war on terror thats for sure.
Feel sorry for his family but there are still too many unasnwered questions about the whole thing.

Londoners keep safe - and for our imminent visitors stay safe and enjoy our country.......

 

[dlloyd]

We had exactly the same responses from people back in the 80s and early 90s with the IRA... there was one occasion where a bloke came out of a pub (I think in Belfast) and he was carrying a table leg that looked just like a sawn off shot gun (bizarre but true!). The police identified themselves and told him to drop the "gun". Being drunk, this bloke turned towards them, and thinking they were about to get shot, the police opened fire and killed the guy.

Needless to say the family then sued the police - but they werent to know what he was carrying! In the height of the IRA campaign everyone could understand it - and I think most people do now - as has been said, it's tragic, but until the police develop x-ray specs, you have to be safe rather than sorry.

Um, not to derail this, but the table leg incident was more recent than that, in 1999.

The guy in question was Scottish, living in London, and had agreed to help fix his brother's table. He was walking home (slowly, as he had had an operation to remove a cancerous tumour and 18 inches of his colon a week earlier) with the table leg in a plastic bag and stopped off in a pub for a drink. Of lemonade. Some idiot tipped off the police that an "Irish Terrorist" had been in the pub with a shotgun.

On the way home he hears someone behind him shout "Stop... Armed Police." He turns around, and they shoot him in the head.

 

[azzy_wazzy]

Thats right! Typically Sky were running a story about past shootings and I realised I got it a bit wrong... just mentioning that it had happened before in the UK - these tactics are always employed by police but always run into the same problems. After all, the police weren't to know - just like in this situation.

Sorry for getting a bit wrong - my memory is rubbish!