Peavey issues / I need Motown guitar tips

[Jean-Frédéric]

hi guys


Anyone ever had problem with peavey in the past ?

I bough a Peavey Delta blues ,and I think some of you will remember that a lamp of mine busted and it was a hassle to get this fix ..

nyway 2 months later the pre amp had a cold soldering that busted out on me , ( i know cause my dad is repair electronic devices and it's a common problem in many japanese electronic haha ) so i took it back , the people at steve's music montreal told me it'd be free of charge since it's under warranty still , but the !@#$ers changed all my tubes and charged me for it 72 bucks ... but never called to say they had too change anything and bill me ,... and I asked my old tube back when before leaving , they gave me back my 5 tubes out of 7 ... so my guess they blew 2 while testing out to " figure what was up" ..neither peavey or steve's music contacted me back.... it's dumb ..

nywho ,

yo guys I have a real question ... anyone has Motown playing style tips ?

I listen to motown and I play a lot of ska - reggae- blues - jazz .. so I mean i know what I'm up against and i guess through those other other style of music , that are all linked to one another , I have the basics , yet I just can't make it sound motown ... anyone here as a tip what gives that guitar sound make us say " that's motown-ish"

band aside , any guitar tip for makin' my silo makin' people go like " ooooooh yeah "

thanks

and how everyone is doing ?

peace

 

[58super]

From my limited knowledge:

The early stuff usually had 3 guitar players on it:
One playing the off beats
One playing rhythm to drive the song and one playing single note parts to blend with the piano or other instruments.

They stuck to three different areas of the neck so they wouldn't overlap and played clean.

If you listen on some of the tracks the guitars are panned hard left or hard right so you can hear how each guitar part fits in.

Later stuff had more effects on it typically alot of wah or a fuzz.

Check out the DVD of "Standing in the Shadows of Motown" there is a jam section that shows how they all fit together.

 

[Jean-Frédéric]

yah man , i have that dvd , it,s killer , I love it so much , I saw the funk bro live at the mtl jazz fest while back , man that was killer !

by 3 area you mean each guitar would still to different octave so all 3 together when hitting a the same tonic would have a bigger and complete sound ?

what kind of chord or / and chord progression are the " regularity "
cause , basically it's pre-soul funk - blues with pop in it , or the motown guitar sound has nothing to do with specific chord or progression but just the way guitar are placed-arranged ?

 

[58super]

They each stayed in different areas of the neck so the sound was bigger.

Alot of the basic sounds stayed the same from track to track so I think it was the arrangements and addtional instruments that changed the sounds.

James Jamerson played the same bass for years (and the same set of strings for years as well).

 

[candid_x]

Dunno if this is much help, but early funk/Motown sounds were pretty clean, but not glassy. By driving the power amp (not preamp) and turning way down on the guitar's volume, you can get that sort of vibe. Oh, I think pure nickel strings can help with this too.

 

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gotta gotta gotta gets the baritone thing goin on

Not technically Motown, but a nice alternative groove...

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[hbucker]

I've had 3 PV amps (still have two of them) and all have been rock solid amps. Generally PV has a reputation of being a reliable working man's performer. But flaws can emerge from time to time with any product. Ultimately it sounds to me like your problem is more with the store/repair facility than with PV.

Can't help you with the Motown question.

Good luck.

 

[JeffreyB]

What kind of guitar and amp are trying to get the motown sound from?
I think it's more of a "feel" or attitude thing than a chord progression.
listen to the guitar parts in almost any of james brown's stuff....it's simple, but it's so important to the overall groove. or even something like "Soul Man"...simple, but in the pocket....
Good luck

 

[JeffreyB]

Oh, and by the way...I have used Peavey amps for years...and I think they're really good amps for the money..especially the tube classic series....they did however, have issues with cold solder joints in a lot of those amps...have a good technician go over the board and touch up the solder, and you should be in good shape.

 

[JMB27]

first, not a big fan of PV for the style of music you're trying to groove with (Motowon) .... might suggest you look at some of the older F-nder tube amps (mid 60s to early 70s), Music Man amps or even some of the old G-bson tube amps(60s) ....

as for playing technique, gotta agree with prior posts regards to the feel and checking out the Funk Brothers dvd.

remember too, alot of the guitar stuff was done on F-nder T-style and S-style guitars along with a fair amount of G-bson semi-hollow guitars ..... combine that with varying style of play - with pick or without pick - and other assorted mojo factors and there you go ....


good luck, and keep on groovin'

Joel

p.s. I might suggest using either an AL or Silo Special for some of the sounds and maybe try piezo mixed with regular pickups for some of the others .... hmmm, think you now have me thinking too much about extra gear. d'oh!
hope this helps .....

 

[Jean-Frédéric]

yeah i thought so about peavey , i mean i had read like 50 comments and reviews on the amp I had bought an no complain, I was just the sucker in a million i guess , but still the Steves Music store ripped me off and I think if the cold soldering, which was getting my preamp outta control, blew any tube up ; either the store OR warranty should cover that, just sad that even peavey didn't mail me back on this , it's not EBMM Customer Service that would do that ! they rock !

and yeah I have the dvd , and look a lot a the Funk bro it,s like playing Reggae but on a soul melody and a funk beat ... as a bass player i can get the motown vibe in my sound , but guitar alone can't be ALL motown , it's the combination of everything , I kinda figure some cool licks tho mixing my reggae-blues and motown-walking groove bass on the guitar

as for the gear pairing up , it works , PV delta blues being a classic amp style with good reverb and a silo with mapple neck gives a good " Wap " using the rtm p/u for warm and i raised a lil my trb p/u so it be more there , plus the single coil in the middle gives a really twangy sound , it's just sad we cant used a HH HSH configuration on top if it

and for more bground sound I can use some of my epi lp , or the LP Special i built out of an old 1970's ibanez/aria

thx guys