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Piezo Output conversion

NorM

NorM

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I need to start thinking about a midi pickup for the Luke...seriously. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> Was written by doctor_worm and it reminded me of something. I was in a music store and heard a midi setup out of an acoustic guitar. The attack was a lot cleaner than I had heard from regular midi pups before. The salesman told me it was because the midi output was the 13 pin connected to the piezo. Also, the piezo gave a direct connection to the string. Without doing any research I will just ask. Is it possible to take a piezo equiped MM and have the 13 pin output pin added to make it midi ready?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Bump</b><br /> <br /> Nobody has an answer for this? This has the potential to be really really cool. Imagine zero lag time for midi!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Bump Again</b><br /> <br /> Really! This has a lot of potential! My Blue Dawn Silo is going in the shop Thursday to have the EMG&#039;s installed. I spoke with the luthier today and he said he would try to find out. Before then, however I would like to know if anyone thinks it&#039;s possible or not.<br /> <br /> Hello?! Is this thing on?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">So I found the pin out conversions for the Roland G2 pup<br /> <br /> 1 = string 1 <br /> 2 = string 2 <br /> 3 = string 3 <br /> 4 = string 4 <br /> 5 = string 5 <br /> 6 = string 6 <br /> 7 = mono guitar signal <br /> 8 = synth volume (0-5VDC) <br /> 9 = n.c. <br /> 10 = SW 1 <br /> 11 = SW 2 <br /> 12 = +7VDC <br /> 13 = -7VDC <br /> Shell = Gnd <br /> <br /> I think I can do this except I don&#039;t know what #&#039;s 10 &amp;11 are. What is SW1 and SW2?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Re-designing <br /> And staying on the cutting edge of guitar electronics.<br /> <br /> That is great and you are willing to share your ideas.<br /> <br /> <br /> The midi devices I have seen are rather simple and crude when compared to a piezo . <br /> But there is on the market some sophisticated pups for midi.<br /> <br /> the information is available <br /> Last month in alt.guitar , several musicians were discussing which midi systems were best, the names of the pups were not the common manufactures that we always see, but a new brand <br /> <br /> I should have paid more attention, <br /> I hope you will continue writing up your findings <br /> in the forim , because we are reading your articles, <br /> You tend to be a few years ahead on these things ,<br /> The best I can do is follow your adventures, which is not much help.<br /> <br /> This will be the way to write music on the near future.<br /> Companies like Guitar Pro are cleaning up with midi software <br /> So you are looking at a potentially highly marketable technology here.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I got on this thread rather late...just saw it.<br /> I use RMC pickups on my Brian Moore to give me piezo-to-midi conversion. RMC make probably the best sounding piezos out there, and they really know how interface it with midi conversion. I am thinking of putting it on my Silo.. you can read about the pickups here : <a href="http://www.rmcpickup.com" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.rmcpickup.com</a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Excellant link <br /> thx<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> It seems that the piezo&#039;s 13 pin plug fits into an interface card <br /> , in the PC <br /> Then using Cakewalk and the PC card&#039;s software s<br /> you can produce a midi.<br /> <br /> to get midi on demand directly from the guitar , creates a problem <br /> in that the conversion may be slow and a fast guitarist , will <br /> require that the sounds be stored first then compiled into the midi format.<br /> <br /> cost for top of the line equipment new is over $ 1000.00<br /> Is that correct??</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Including the PC, sure.<br /> <br /> Depends on what you get. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="zabba" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> zabba said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <b>Excellant link <br /> thx<br /> <br /> <br /> cost for top of the line equipment new is over $ 1000.00<br /> Is that correct?? </b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Well, not exactly. The 13 pin output plugs into an external midi interface (like the Roland GI-10/20, or Axon unit), which then goes to something like a USB midi interface on your computer. Conversion is very fast if you have good technique. <br /> There has been attemps at having midi conversion in the guitar itself- a few years ago a company called MidiAxe sold its designs to Parker and Brian Moore, but it had problems. You *needed* a computer to edit the parameters of the converter, and you had to plug your guitar into AC power to power the converter. That company went out of business. <br /> <br /> The cheapest way to get midi conversion is the ROland GI-20, which is about $350US. It works great, and has a USB output so you don&#039;t have to buy a separate USB midi interface with the computer.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I think this is the kind of thing I was talking about here<br /> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=2384&amp;item=7319177683&amp;rd=1" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=2384&amp;item=7319177683&amp;rd=1</a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="NorM" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> NorM said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I think this is the kind of thing I was talking about here<br /> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=2384&amp;item=7319177683&amp;rd=1" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=2384&amp;item=7319177683&amp;rd=1</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> this kinda thing is essentially what i have, but since it is a custom, i designed the elctronics to be a little more intuitive, like having a magnetic/both/piezo switch instead of the synth/both/magnetic switch, and no synth volume control (i use a midi volume pedal for this). <br /> <br /> i honestly was thinking about putting a system like this into my Silo Sp, but I might buy a SUB1 to mess around with. To retrofit a guitar with piezos and midi can cost about $600. It sounds great, but too bad it is so expensive.</div>
 
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