SAtallion delayed new JP 13 coming

[Malmucci]

But how do you know that for sure? From the perspective of someone who has been around these forms for a few years now, as far as I can tell, it's 100% about the instrument, the customers and the artists. Not the $$.

Dude, when did JP ever ask for a preamp on his guitar? He has absolutely no use for that thing. Some of you guys are so freaking naive. It's all about the instrument etc. It's about the instrument of course, but it's also about the $$$.

This is getting so out of hand. I'm guess people think I'm a Musicman hater, but I'm actually one of the biggest fans of Musicman guitars. I love these guitars, but I think it's getting out of hand.

 

[mtrejo]

My spidey sense is tingling. I feel a lockdown coming down the pike.

 

[threeminutesboy]

I don't understand your point malmucci. How can you know better than ebmm what Jo needs or try at the factory?

So much bull**** for nothing, that's amazing

 

[Malmucci]

My spidey sense is tingling. I feel a lockdown coming down the pike.

Of course, any one who even dares to say anything remotely negative about Music Man should be banned.

 

[bdtunn]

I hope that we can all take into consideration that this is a business. If new guitars didn't come out and wernt advertised then as a business your customer base becomes stagnant. With every new change it will attract new customers or persuade old customers to trade up. Again I think it's great to have all the options and would love to have more then my rosewood JP (I'm a lefty). I do see the opinions of everyone but as this is a thread about a new product that music man is proud to realease I see no reason for slander. If JP wants to try something new he does it and has it built. i go back and forth to what i like and dont like A bunch as well but i pay for it So You don't like it that's fine but let's keep it clean boys and girls!

 

[Drakemonta21]

I for one love all of the options and think that its great that EBMM still sells the original guitar. John himself calls this the "evolution" and i could not agree more. Look at Gibson Les Pauls....there are not only Juniors, double cuts, SG les paul, but how many different colors and options are on these guitars. Do you really think that if they just made one guitar in a few colors that there would not be the same peaple saying that this sucks because its a tired and old concept. Enjoy the fact that these are great instruments and play them.

 

[Malmucci]

I hope that we can all take into consideration that this is a business. If new guitars didn't come out and wernt advertised then as a business your customer base becomes stagnant. With every new change it will attract new customers or persuade old customers to trade up. Again I think it's great to have all the options and would love to have more then my rosewood JP (I'm a lefty). I do see the opinions of everyone but as this is a thread about a new product that music man is proud to realease I see no reason for slander. If JP wants to try something new he does it and has it built. i go back and forth to what i like and dont like A bunch as well but i pay for it So You don't like it that's fine but let's keep it clean boys and girls!

I agree, but I don't like how they are marketing the models. 2011, 2012, 2013 and so on.

 

[Malmucci]

I for one love all of the options and think that its great that EBMM still sells the original guitar. John himself calls this the "evolution" and i could not agree more. Look at Gibson Les Pauls....there are not only Juniors, double cuts, SG les paul, but how many different colors and options are on these guitars. Do you really think that if they just made one guitar in a few colors that there would not be the same peaple saying that this sucks because its a tired and old concept. Enjoy the fact that these are great instruments and play them.

This was a very good argument. And well written!

 

[mesavox]

I didn't really talk about the fun stuff... guitars. LOL

The Majesty... learning that name makes the wait worth it, both because I won't be able to get one right away if it came out today anyway, and because it is still the fun kind of inside info stuff that we used to get a lot more of. Great name!

Will it be marketed in a way that will allow Majesty to be printed apart from the JP moniker? Or will it be called the JP Majesty (something similar)?

The JPXIII. Very striking. I love the return to the 17". I'm so jonesing for a 17" with stainless frets. Might the preamp become a future option on other guitars? I am guessing this is a bit of a side effect of some of the Majesty development. Is it related to Game Changer tech in any way?

I don't really see why people gripe so much about a small amount of changes. What do they expect, JP to drastically change his guitar every year? Do they not remember the days when the JPX was released? All the whining about chambers and 5 ways and the top horn? Back then, we didn't even know there would ever be a JPXI. It was an anniversary guitar, and it just happened to be popular enough that another one was released and so on.... First it was too different, now its not different enough... good grief. It is a specialty guitar that isn't much different from the base model in its most different variation, let alone something that would see wholesale changes to base design every year. What do some people want? Maple fretboard? 22 frets? Single coils? Tele body shape? A banjo? Its not like there are a zillion changes you can make to the thing anyway short of complete redesigns every year. Given how long the Majesty is taking, redesigns are obviously not so simple.

 

[beefyslinky]

How can more guitars be a bad thing? I hope they make one for every year this century!

I agree, but I don't like how they are marketing the models. 2011, 2012, 2013 and so on.

 

[mesavox]

Are you kidding me? I have not played the JP13, but it's basically just like my other JP6's and JP7s. Pretty much like the JPXI that I own too. Do you really mean a new JP guitar is just a new color and different radius? That sucks. I don't think they should make new "models" all the time. A new color, sure.

Dude.. it is part of a flipping series. Its not a "NEW" guitar per se. It is just this year's version of the same guitar. What isn't clear about that from day one of the JPX? The Majesty is the "NEW" guitar.

 

[ohdamnitsdevin]

I agree, but I don't like how they are marketing the models. 2011, 2012, 2013 and so on.

Incorrect. It started with the JPX 10 year anniversary. JPXI 11 years, JPXII 12 years etc. It just so happens to fall inline with what year it is. Which is pretty neat to me.

 

[Malmucci]

Incorrect. It started with the JPX 10 year anniversary. JPXI 11 years, JPXII 12 years etc. It just so happens to fall inline with what year it is. Which is pretty neat to me.

I guess you understood my point anyway.

I don't understand what is so crazy about discussing these things? What really is clear after many posts about this topic: People here agrees with what Sterling said. Most people here want a new guitar model each year, even if it's just a new color or just a slight change in the radius. It was my opinion, but it was made pretty clear that I'm a minority here. People react like it was personal just because I don't like the idea of the jpxiii. But most people do. And now I look like a fool. I'm just happy that this thread wasn't shut down, because now people know what is the majority.

 

[dkannen]

I'm happy it wasn't shut down too. EBMM family members argue just as siblings argue. In the end, we're ALL EBMM lovers!

 

[mesavox]

I guess you understood my point anyway.

I don't understand what is so crazy about discussing these things? What really is clear after many posts about this topic: People here agrees with what Sterling said. Most people here want a new guitar model each year, even if it's just a new color or just a slight change in the radius. It was my opinion, but it was made pretty clear that I'm a minority here. People react like it was personal just because I don't like the idea of the jpxiii. But most people do. And now I look like a fool. I'm just happy that this thread wasn't shut down, because now people know what is the majority.

But it isn't a new model every year. It is just the next year's offering of the same model. It is really just a BFR special edition. JP uses it to try new things rather than changing the base model every year. The BFRs are still there never changing much at all. The JPX sold well enough and people wanted more, so there are more. Why? Because they sell. You don't think they ought to do it every year? Why should they care? Why are they stupid for doing what works? Just because you don't like it?

That makes no sense to me, and I don't understand why you're so vocal and rude about nothing.

 

[mesavox]

Of course, any one who even dares to say anything remotely negative about Music Man should be banned.

More like the members are sick of people being rude after BP has repeatedly asked the same thing over and over because people repeatedly do exactly what he asks them not to over and over, and now we don't get the updates we used to because of those people. But yeah, if you owned a company and paid for webspace, you wouldn't want people coming into your forum and bashing your company either... so there is a point where discussion turns to something you don't want found in search engines in a time when everyone is trying so hard to market themselves well. We're talking about a company that isn't doing anything morally wrong being bashed for some sort of inappropriate and almost misleading marketing? That's what it comes across like when you say all that? You were so adamantly agains the whole notion as if it were wrong. If I was BP, I would call you out on it at the very least too.

 

[peterd79]

i'll jump in on this one...

When a signature guitar is made it is always 100% a collaboration between the artist and MM... so if the preamp was changed that means that JP wanted to change it and that he WILL USE It...
Sterling has always said that JP is an evolving artist and that as he as a player evolves he needs his instruments to evolve as well... so that might mean a tweak here or a tweak there...
These evolving guitars are then offered to us as players IF WE SO CHOOSE to buy...
Other companies such as F's and G's do not offer the same exact guitar that the endorsee plays to us the consuemer... it's a watered down version.

And if we take the same concept that was used as a color changing and EBMM ripping off the consumer and it's just a money making ploy...
Lets find a Toyota Forum or even write letters to the president of Toyota stating that it's a rip of to the consumer to change their Toyota Tacoma for the better from 2012 and 2013 and to change the color options when the last years model was sufficient.

I will always stand behind EBMM and Sterling... call me a fanboi or what have you... but Sterling has always done things for the love of music... not the love of Money. He will not boast of himself or his contributions but he's one Heck of a man and has never been about money...

 

[Malmucci]

But it isn't a new model every year. It is just the next year's offering of the same model. It is really just a BFR special edition. JP uses it to try new things rather than changing the base model every year. The BFRs are still there never changing much at all. The JPX sold well enough and people wanted more, so there are more. Why? Because they sell. You don't think they ought to do it every year? Why should they care? Why are they stupid for doing what works? Just because you don't like it?

That makes no sense to me, and I don't understand why you're so vocal and rude about nothing.

I understand your question, let me try to answer it:

I really dislike the way they are marketing it. Yes, I agree that it is just another edition of the same base model like you've said. BUT the way they are presenting it is that THIS guitar is the newest and BEST guitar yet from the JP signature model. Like it's the latest part of the evolution. This is JUST THE WAY JP wanted it! I don't think it is that at all.

Now I've tried to explain this to you. I hope it makes sense to you Kevin.

 

[beej]

Malmucci-

You're pretty quick to put words in John's and Sterling's mouth ("when did JP ever ask for a preamp on his guitar?", etc). When MM makes an innovation in one area, they usually share it with all of their artists to see what they think. Compensated nut, mahog tone block, chambering, Game Changer, preamp (from the Luke III) and so on. That's part of the process where MM works with their artists to offer them the best tools in their arsenal.

Now you can like it or not, but coming off and talking trash like "it is all about the $$$", "That's bull****. JP's getting stuff handed to him" shows that you know nothing about John's relationship with MM. This kind of attitude is exactly what Sterling meant when he explained why he's not showing new prototypes before they're ready. He doesn't need people trashing him and in the process we all lose out on something we'd really like to see.

You don't get banned for saying negative things, but you will for being rude and aggressive to other members who just want to talk guitars. If you can't contain yourself then go somewhere else.

Edit: I hate that every new JP guitar thread ends up like this. It's so predictable and shows such an utter lack of respect for Sterling, John and all of the people that work so hard to bring these new products to the market. Seriously- if you don't like something, don't buy it. Don't whine about it here.

 

[Big Poppa]

Malmucci What form of apology will you give when JP raves about the preamp he asked for? He called me last night freaking...they tracked in the studio...with the new pickups too....OH yeah Di marzio threw new pickups at him....it couldnt be a coordinated effort between Drew at EB Matty JP's Tech and Steve of Dimarzio...that would make too much sense

You dont like how we are marketing it? Huh we did a flyer for the forum. extensive advertising and marketing....

SO the guitar you dont like that you have never seen that has caused you to imply a lack of integrity in our relationship with jp has a different neck, a preamp that JP asked for after playing Lukes, new pickups....sorry reread your posts aggressive and rude. and you are flat assed wrong.