i'm really sick of the fashion and mainstream instruments and equipment. i have come to HATE all the MESA , and PRS crap that i see everywhere. everyone and their cousin plays PRS. i played them and their not what everyone makes them to be. i wish people would get a clue and realize their spending $10,000 for a quote "PRS private stock" guitar. wow so cool. i've seen tones of axis, and van halen EB quilts that easily rival PRS's highest of "10 tops" and EB doesn't charge more for them. i wish people would get a clue. that my opinion though.
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Finally, someone else with some sense 
I couldn't agree with you more. I've played a few PRS guitars, and they're not worth any more than the average high end guitar. I'm sure they could give you a list of reasons why thier guitars are worth more, but it's not worth it no matter what they say. You're right too, it's mostly just fashion to own one, and the Mesa Rectifier. Sure buy them if you want to sound just like everyone else out there right now.
I couldn't agree with you more. I've played a few PRS guitars, and they're not worth any more than the average high end guitar. I'm sure they could give you a list of reasons why thier guitars are worth more, but it's not worth it no matter what they say. You're right too, it's mostly just fashion to own one, and the Mesa Rectifier. Sure buy them if you want to sound just like everyone else out there right now.
hbucker
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It's funny how nobody would admit that they buy gear to follow trends but there is no question in my mind that it happens. In the 80's people were trading in their vintage Les Pauls for Kramers. Nothing against the old American Kramers. They were good guitars. But how funny does that seem now?
I think that many die hard Marshall, Fender, Gibson people fall into this category. They look at the headstock or the grill cloth logo to see how good the gear is. The reputation of these companies speaks for itself but to think that life begins and ends with these comanies is a big mistake.
PRS builds some of the prettiest guitars in the business. I believe they are quality instruments. I've just never played one that felt the way I want my guitars to feel.
It's all personal choice. I think that when somebody playing a PRS and Mesa gear makes fun of my Music Man and Peavey gear, they're saying more about themselves than they are about my gear. I know what I like, what I need, and what I can afford. I like my gear and don't believe spending more would automatically give me better tone.
I am the only limitation my gear has... the weakest link, if you will.
I think that many die hard Marshall, Fender, Gibson people fall into this category. They look at the headstock or the grill cloth logo to see how good the gear is. The reputation of these companies speaks for itself but to think that life begins and ends with these comanies is a big mistake.
PRS builds some of the prettiest guitars in the business. I believe they are quality instruments. I've just never played one that felt the way I want my guitars to feel.
It's all personal choice. I think that when somebody playing a PRS and Mesa gear makes fun of my Music Man and Peavey gear, they're saying more about themselves than they are about my gear. I know what I like, what I need, and what I can afford. I like my gear and don't believe spending more would automatically give me better tone.
I am the only limitation my gear has... the weakest link, if you will.
yeah thats another with the mesa recto's. thier not as good sounding as everyone acts either. plus their not consistant. every one sounds different. i see poeople saying "i was lucky i got one of the good ones" what a great thing to have to say. o sold my single recto because its just wasn't teh greatest amp. i bought a new randall cyclone soild-state head with the money and my randall smokes that mesa. clean is even better on the randall. i'm just happy i have my EB axis, with that i can escape all this gear fashion and go back to playing music.
cocobig
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Fashion come and go... In the 80's, more than 80% are floyd rose equipped. What about now? I think just take it easy and stand strong.... It will be just fine... 
cocobig
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probably now is 35% floyd rose equipped and never use it.
another 50% fixed bridge with (probably) alternate tuning.
another 15% floyd rose equipped and regularly use it.
another 50% fixed bridge with (probably) alternate tuning.
another 15% floyd rose equipped and regularly use it.
peter71
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Not to sound too corporate, but I am a Music Man man all the way. I really have no desire to play any other brand of guitar. I don't even look at Fenders, Ibanez, jackson, Schecter, or PRS. I do look at Gibson for semi hollow body guitars like their ES models (Ernie Ball, make a semi hillow body please!). I just don't get the same feel from them.
A side note to add to this, I was shoping for a semi hollow body guitar a while ago, and I found a great Gibson ES at a guitar shop here in Eugene. The salesman asked me what I play and was telling me that I should get the ES, because in 20 years I would be able to give my kids the "classic" ES. I told him he was right, because my kids will never get my Silhouette! I think that some people don't understand that these EB guitars are classics to the people that play them. I have never heard anyone say that their Music Man guitar is great for now until they get their dream guitar... unless their dream guitar is another MM. Just a thought, and thoughts are like water... I don't drink enough of them... or something.
A side note to add to this, I was shoping for a semi hollow body guitar a while ago, and I found a great Gibson ES at a guitar shop here in Eugene. The salesman asked me what I play and was telling me that I should get the ES, because in 20 years I would be able to give my kids the "classic" ES. I told him he was right, because my kids will never get my Silhouette! I think that some people don't understand that these EB guitars are classics to the people that play them. I have never heard anyone say that their Music Man guitar is great for now until they get their dream guitar... unless their dream guitar is another MM. Just a thought, and thoughts are like water... I don't drink enough of them... or something.
i agree, the gibson ES would be great to give to kids as well.........cause the'll never get my Axis guitars!!!!!! LOL but on the flip side i'll never have kids so i won't have to buy a gibson ES. now i can spend that on a new EBMM petrucci!!! i just need to convince the girlfriend its a must. don't tell anyone but she doesn't understand how i can spend as much as i do on this stuff. either way more people need to wise up and buy a EB. if you want tone, feel, quality, and something that will last forever invest in a EB guitar and your set.
cocobig said:probably now is 35% floyd rose equipped and never use it.
another 50% fixed bridge with (probably) alternate tuning.
another 15% floyd rose equipped and regularly use it.
My Sil has a Floyd, and I love it. In fact, that was one of it's selling points to me. I don't know when, but EB/MM stopped producing Sils with Floyds. This leaves them with NO current production
model available with a Floyd Rose AND 24 frets- two of my requirements for most of my purchases.
Just personal taste, of course, but when I finally saw my current Sil hanging waaaay up high on the wall of my local GC, I was a happy camper. It's a 95 model, and the best guitar I've ever owned.
If anything, current trends are pretty much ANTI-Floyd Rose, With EB/MM being a good example. I think Lukes used to have Floyds, and Petrucci's OLD sinature model also had a Floyd.
They're not to be faulted, of course, they're just following what the market dictates, giving people what they want, as any company must.
I still maintain that NOTHING stays in tune as well as a Floyd Rose bridge with a locking nut- not fixed bridges, tune-o-matic or otherwise, not locking tuners, not even the Steinbergers I've tried.
On another board, part of my sig reads: You'll get my Floyd Rose bridge when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
well i'd have to disagree with robochimp on the market being anti floyd rose.. atleast in the metal scene it isn't. every guitar i see metal players using or even local metal bands all have floyd rose bridges. the bridges are not used, and the bars are removed but all the guitars still have them. jsut flip thru a musicians friend catalogue or something and see the modern market guitars. they all have floyd rose. either way, i like a floyd rose as well, i just also want a string thru body also. i own a axis with floyd rose and a axis super sport so i have best of both worlds.
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i will say though, floyd rose bridges in my opinion are more comfy to mute on. especially that heavy or fast muting nu/modern metal requires. i also feel you get more range of muting on them too. but overall i'd take a string thru body bridge with locking tuners in the end. i'm thinking of swapping out the tuners on one of my axis guitars with LSR tuners. i love those tuners and might look awesome.
The reason I think the market is 'anti-Floyd', and maybe that's the wrong choice of words, is this: The Petrucci is not offered with a Floyd as an option. The Luke and Silhouette are also not offered with the option of a Floyd, but they USED to be. In fact, on the Luke, a Floyd was standard. The Steve Morse model and the Axis are now the only ones in the entire EB/MM line that offer a Floyd.
I'll agree that in the Metal scene, Floyds are still popular, and also with many guitar heroes. But a lot of artists who used to use them no longer do. Years ago, everybody and his brother had a Floyd- equipped guitar available. Even Gibson got into the act. Try and find a Floyd Rose anywhere in the vicinity of a Gibson factory today, though, and you'll likely be met with disapointment.
In the current issue of Musician's Friend, I looked through, and lost count at 115 non- Floyd-equipped guitars, and I counted 22 With Floyds.
There will always be a market for them, but right now it's just not nearly as strong as it once was.
I'll agree that in the Metal scene, Floyds are still popular, and also with many guitar heroes. But a lot of artists who used to use them no longer do. Years ago, everybody and his brother had a Floyd- equipped guitar available. Even Gibson got into the act. Try and find a Floyd Rose anywhere in the vicinity of a Gibson factory today, though, and you'll likely be met with disapointment.
In the current issue of Musician's Friend, I looked through, and lost count at 115 non- Floyd-equipped guitars, and I counted 22 With Floyds.
There will always be a market for them, but right now it's just not nearly as strong as it once was.
