Slightly OT: Avatar B410 Neo

[mynan]

I've been thinking about putting a 410 under my Markbass CMD102p, but can't really affore a Markbass 410 at the moment so I'm thinking about going with an Avatar B410 Neo.

My concern is that the Avatar is a bit of a power hog and that my Markbass with the 4 ohm 210 isn't going to have enough juice to really move the 4 ohm Avatar. I've heard that the Avatar is a little bit inefficient and needs a lot of power to really thump.

Anyone have any experience with a LMII and two 4-ohm cabs...one of which being an Avatar B410 Neo?

 

[Oldtoe]

I can't speak for your specific amp, but I use two B410 NEO cabinets and pound the snot out of them with a Crown MT-1200 coupled with an Alembic F-1X preamp. I'm tickled with their tone, weight, and price. They're two 4-Ohm cabinets, btw.

Have you considered their 210NEO cab? Might be a great match. I'm thinking of that exact combo for lowering my PITA factor in lugging my amp to gigs.

 

[mynan]

I can't speak for your specific amp, but I use two B410 NEO cabinets and pound the snot out of them with a Crown MT-1200 coupled with an Alembic F-1X preamp. I'm tickled with their tone, weight, and price. They're two 2-Ohm cabinets, btw.

Have you considered their 210NEO cab? Might be a great match. I'm thinking of that exact combo for lowering my PITA factor in lugging my amp to gigs.

Thanks. I really want a 610 setup. I've heard great things about the Avatars...great tone and tons of headroom. I'm just concerned that the LMII won't be enough to make it thump.

 

[73jbass]

I own an 8 ohm Avatar neo 410,and it's not power hungry at all. Mine is also an 8 ohm,and I use a Thunderfunk head,and any Music Man bass. So far,no problems being heard,despite only getting probably 2/3 power because of the 8 ohm impedence. I could always hear myself clearly,and always got compliments on my tone.The Avatar is a great cabinet,the price is the icing on the cake.

 

[maddog]

Is the MB rated to handle less than a 4 ohm load?

 

[Freddels]

Is the MB rated to handle less than a 4 ohm load?

No, 4 ohm is the minimum with that head.

 

[maddog]

so having it drive 2 4-ohm cabs isn't a good idea.

I thought the CMD102P was an 8-ohm cab. Should be fine getting an 8-ohm extension cab. Then you'll be getting the 500W@ 4-ohms.

 

[mynan]

I thought the CMD102P was an 8-ohm cab. Should be fine getting an 8-ohm extension cab. Then you'll be getting the 500W@ 4-ohms.

That's correct, but then (from what I understand) if you hook it up with the B410 Neo you are only running 250 watts into a cab that's rated at 1000 watts. The Markbass puts out 500 watts at 4 ohms, but you are dividing it between the 2 cabs.

 

[tkarter]

You're going to have to explain that thinking to me.

If you hook two 8 ohm cabs together you get 4 ohms and that is what the head is rated for.

That if I understand it correctly myself is 250 watts per cab.

tk

 

[mynan]

You're going to have to explain that thinking to me.

If you hook two 8 ohm cabs together you get 4 ohms and that is what the head is rated for.

That if I understand it correctly myself is 250 watts per cab.

tk

That's what I said. So my concern is that since the Avatar cab is rated at 1000 watts...is 250 watts enough to push it?

 

[tkarter]

Okay I finally understand what you are going after there.

I bet it will work fine. Although it might be better to throw all 500 watts at the 4x10.

What say you maddog?

tk

 

[AnthonyD]

That's what I said. So my concern is that since the Avatar cab is rated at 1000 watts...is 250 watts enough to push it?

There's a bit more to it than that... The B410 is rated to handle 1000 watts, not require 1000 watts - I think you'll do fine with the LMKII on top.

I spent a bit of time with all of the Avatar cabs at one time or another - the 10's and the 12s, some 4 ohms, some 8 ohms... I decided a B210 and a B410 work best for me, both 8 ohm cabinets. I've since used the B210 with the LMII for rehearsals and a smaller outdoor gig and I've run the stack with an SVT-4 Pro.

I cannot speak for their "efficiency" relative to other brands, but I can tell you these cabinets are awesome and untouchable at their price-point. They are all at once full, round, punchy and articulate. They will not break your back or your wallet.

You will not be disappointed.

 

[AnthonyD]

BTW - The CMD102P combo is rated at 8 ohms in it's native state. The head can go 500 watts at 4 ohms.

Assuming you are looking to add an extension cabinet to the CMD102P (i.e. run the combo 2x10 along with the additional cabinet), the extension cabinet must be an 8 ohm cabinet in order to run the the head safely within it's rated output.

 

[maddog]

rating and efficiency are two different things.

Rating is how much it can take before failure.

Efficiency (or Sensitivity) is how loud given a certain input.

I'm checking the avatar website and see no listing for efficiency.

Surface area is really what is changing here. More cones is better. So I'd run the 6x10 setup over just a 4x10 as long as the overall impedance of the cabs doesn't go lower than the rated output impedance of the head.

Due to ohm's law, V=IR, when you cut the resistance in half you double the current draw. Too much current draw and the amp says uncle.

 

[73jbass]

I think it will be fine. As stated earlier,I'm using my 8 ohm Avatar Neo with a Thunderfunk head,so I'm only producing about 300 watts or so at best. The cab has no problems at all. Personally,I'd go with the Avatar as a stand alone with your Markbass. I think you'll be pleasantly surprized.

 

[mynan]

Thanks guys...now to go sell some $#!+ that I'm not using and get the Avatar.