sub1s - some questions about necks and electronics

[SOC]

excuse the title, i wanted the attention of every sub1 user in here to help me make this decision, but this is actually more about electronics.
i currently have a very nice beginner/hobbyist guitar, the swing classic dc.
i wont go into much detail, but ill just say i dont like the slightly wide and LACQUERED neck, and i want a more versatile guitar (this is HH)
of course i first thought HSH has to be the most versatile, but after much internet surfing, this is what i have in mind
a sub1 guitar with this wiring http://www.guitarelectronics.com/product/WDUHH3T1103
the thing is, are the sub necks really that great? i know this is subjective, but imagine you have small hands (even for a 15 yr old) and like to think you can shred. are they sticky at all? not too worried about upper fret reach.

also, ive heard a humbucker running in parallel before, i know only what ive read on the internet, and nothing seems to be very clear on that--anyone have clips or firsthand experience?
what pu's would you reccomend for this kind of setup, for maximum versatility?
i dont really want anything vintage for the sake of vintage, but new, modern takes on those classic sounds that i can use as basic lumps of clay for molding my sound. just so you know, both john petrucci and steve morse are personal favourites of mine (the reason why i started looking into ebmm guitars), and i love how jp'd tone (esp. on bananas), which i also love. mark knopfler and stevie ray vaughn are two guitarists whose sc tones i love. i also like the band muse, their playing isnt anything special, but theyre very innovative and have interesting tones.
is all this possible with that complex looking diagram? im thinking some alnico 5 type but high gain pu's will give me a good high gain sound in series, pafish sounds in parallel, and sc sounds in split mode. this is really nothing more than wishful thinking, and i really dont know that much.

btw, im going through a pod xt and either this big keyboard amp/pa at practice, or the microcube at home. im not an incredible guitar player, and we dont even gig regularly (just school events and local contests). maybe all these nuanced differences in tone would be overkill for someone like me?

 

[jeffrey]

Umm....

 

[Big Poppa]

My friend
please introduce yourself with not such a negative thread.

The SuB neck is a classic shape, not much different from the morse. To say they are bad without playing them is not a good first impression

 

[SOC]

im sorry everybody i think i made a big mistake my making the post so damn long and undecipherable
i didnt mean the title literally at all, it was just a corny way to get your attention, which seemed to have backfired
in fact, now that i read my post again, its hard for me to under stand too.
i basically wanted to know some of youguys' opinions on the sub1 as a base for slight mods-namely this wiring mod:http://www.guitarelectronics.com/product/WDUHH3T1103
please done be offended anybody, i am just a newbie wanting to know more about ebmm guitars, which have a very good reputation for qc/versatility/and especially the necks

 

[NorM]

A thousand words won't decsribe how a guitar neck feels. It is tough sometimes to find one to try and paying this kind of money is a big risk. So let's try this.
The Axis has the fattest neck
The Superport is the same neck profile but with split coil pups
Next down I would say is a morse. 11 different pup settings
More people say the morse neck is perfect than any other guitar
If BP says the SUB is like a morse then you better believe it
The SiLO is the next in line and my personal favorite
I re did the pups in one and with the piezo I get like 27 diffrent settings

Knock Knock.
Who's There
Control freak- Now you say control freak who!

The thinnest neck is the Pet

I don't have a Luke or an Albert Lee but I have heard people say that small hands fit better on a Luke. Then an albert lee is everything a Str@t wishes it could be.

When you get to conneticut you should look up Pete. He has a few you can try.

 

[jeffrey]

You could do that mod on basically any 2-humbucker guitar.

It's irrelevant who makes it.

 

[SOC]

thanks norm that was very helpful! do you have any pics of the modded silo handy? all these guitars seem like such great imstruments-i guess there isnt any way but to try them all. thanks alot norm
btw is big poppa like the head moderator here or something? im sorry if i gave a ****ty first impression. i didnt wanna do anything stupid, but i guess i got over excited

 

[koogie2k]

btw is big poppa like the head moderator here or something?

Big Poppa is in Customer Service...he is currently the number 2 man there, however, he is bucking for promotion to be the main man and get that all so valuable parking spot in the back of the building at SLO and a free lunch at the Firestone Grill with the main man. He can't get that promotion with negative comments on the forum....so, he has to police the board kinda tight....He answers to the owner's son who can be kinda hard on him....so, please, in the future, no corny titles to get his attention....the boss comes on here every now and then.....

 

[nad]

In regards to the painted neck on it, I have a Silhouette and bought a SUB as basically a backup axe for whenever I break strings on stage. And I can safely say that from the experience of sweaty stages and sweaty stages, I never found the back of the neck to be sticky.

 

[tristan]

the french MM demo tours has just ended...

first song -> petrucci
second song -> sub one
thied song -> axis SS...

the confort and the pleasure were the same...had some fun to see the faces of people in the audience when I takled about the price...

definitly a true music man...with no compromise on the basics of the brand...

we can be very proud of this line of guitars & basses...

 

[SOC]

wow tristan i looked at your site and everything-so youre endorsed by musicman eh? thats awesome. any possibility of a sig guitar for you soon? you are a hell of a player thats for sure.
thanks for the info koogie.
Big poppa-delete this thread if this'll do anything to **** up your situation and just know i was bein immature-didnt mean anything by it
and just because the guitar is tantalizingly named sub1, is there any chance that there might be something like a sub 2 coming out in the near future? maybe for namm 2007? and also, do the sub1 pickups have 4 conductor wiring? maybe i wont have to switch out the pu's if they do.

 

[tristan]

thanks soc...

I don not need no sig...a silo or a luke are just perfect to me....

 

[fogman]

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Simply go to your first post of the thread and press edit.
The new page will give you the option.
Welcome to the ultimate forum!!!

 

[Jimi D]

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[candid_x]

Hi Soc,

Sounds like you’d be happier with a Silo or Solo Special. You want versatility of single coils and buckers, playability, and no skidding up a painted neck with sweaty hands. Some of that you’ll get with a Sub, but not all the tones you’ve described. I’d save up and get an axe that will satisfy over the long haul. Imo, that spells S i l h o u e t t e.

 

[fogman]

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[SOC]

like candid x brought up, i think the silo would be the perfect guitar, but realistically speaking, it'll be too much guitar for my level of playing. i do want it very bad though, good news for me, i just found out that there is a store an hour or so away that stocks musicman guitars! i wont be buying from them (costs about double) but i will go try out every single guitar there once i find the time.

 

[beej]

SOC- welcome man. Great avatar!

The SUB is a great guitar, but that's been covered.

On the electronics- I've done the series/parallel switches on quite a few guitars- very similar to what you've posted. My feeling is that it's usually overkill, and unless you need the humbuckers to sound like single coils, you're going to end up with too many switches and find the guitar unusable.

If you stick with the sub and want to do something a little different, I'd suggest trying the Axis Super Sport wiring. A 5-way switch instead of the 3-way. It gives you all the humbucker configurations plus two sets of split coils together, for really nice clean tones. The SUB's pickups are nice ... I'd stick with them.

All the EBMMs are great guitars- you can't go wrong with any of them. As Big Poppa says, try them out first before you make any judgements. If you can afford to get the one you really want of the lot, you'll never go back

 

[SOC]

hey beej looks like you have quite the collection of balls in your avatar
its pretty important i have as versatile an axe as possible, as i cant justify having two guitars at my level (if anything i really need a better amp)
i looked into the axis ss switching system, and found something that can go one step further:

Parallel mode
1. neck HB in parallel with itself
2. outer coils in parallel with each other
3. norths in series, souths in series, in parallel with each other
4. inner coils in parallel with each other
5. bridge HB in parallel with itself

Series mode
1. neck HB in series with itself
2. outer coils in series with each other
3. both series HB's in series with each other
4. inner coils in series with each other
5. bridge HB in series with itself

so it would have a 5 way switch and then a two way toggle to chose between the parallel and series modes-almost perfect for what i want. i still dont know if the subs come with 4 conductor wiring-does anyone know?

 

[beej]

I don't think it's going to work like that- with a series/parallel switch, you're going to control the configuration of the individual pickups before their output goes to the toggle switch. So yeah, the humbucker configurations are going to be switchable. But the in-between (coil split) positions aren't going to work properly (they won't split).

How about this: an easier way to get what you want is to use the original 3-way toggle switch and a single 4PDT on/on/on toggle (Dimarzio makes one). You can wire the toggle to be series/split/parallel and control both humbuckers at once. Only requies buying a $15 switch and one hole in the pickguard.

In series mode, you get the factory wiring. In parallel mode they sound similar to single coils. And in split mode you actually get noisy single coils and the middle position gives you a noise-free combo of one coil from each humbucker.

Not sure about the 4 conductor wiring, but I'd wager it's there.