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In the free world the wood the necks are made of is spelled M-A-P-L-E
No but there is someone paying for this site and bandwith, and he is free to make the rules and close a thread. That´s the way it is. Like it or not.
I don´t know how old you are but: There is nothing like a free world!
And if you compare a guitar and bass forum to everyone´s freedom of speech:
Say what you want here, but be prepared to get a closed thread.
Say what you want in your free world, but be prepared to get a closed eye!
I feel the internet makes everyone a little ballsier than in real life.
Would you have asked the question in real life at the desert domination where someone else pays your food??? (and this bandwith)
No bad feelings towards you, but that is my opinion.
And feel free enough in your world to delete this thread.
Let the power be with you.
Let´s talk about guitars here and be friendly with each other. This used to be a nice place. The last weeks were just ugly things happening. Please let´s stop it.
Love and peace, Mick
lumberjack
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I'm guessing this one will be locked soon, as well.
DrKev
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One of the reasons this forum stays a happy and pleasant place to be is because threads are closed if necessary, at an appropriate time.
(No matter what forum you are on it is always considered impolite to question thread closures).
(No matter what forum you are on it is always considered impolite to question thread closures).
Jimmyb
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Threads are closed on every forum, not just this one.
There are certain rules that the owner/moderator of the forum asks us to respect, we agree to respect those rules when we register to use the forum.
Although we are allowed to post on this forum, we don't have an automatic right to do so. It costs money to host the forum, plus the software itself is not free. We are essentially using a service that someone pays for. The gear page forum is run on a donation scheme, but even there, you do not have the right to post carte blanche.
Usually, the threads that I have seen locked here are ones that don't relate directly to EBMM (the owners of the board) or are threads that result in arguments (car-crash threads).
Sometimes, by locking threads early, an argument can be avoided and people will have the chance to possibly calm down, before posting anything that they may regret.
It's difficult to always read the intention of the poster, as sometimes a written phrase can be mis-understood. When this happens, volatile tempers can flare up and the thread can descend into insults and arguments. Whilst these threads do get a lot of views, it is not a pleasant thing to watch, especially when you see people posting things that they may regret at a later date.
Locking a thread is a quick way to stop the current argument from escalating and is a decision that is not taken lightly by the moderators. It's not about hiding anything.
From one or two recent threads that I've seen locked, they looked as though they could have turned into more arguments, so I think the decision to lock them was a valid one. I don't think that this is an overly moderated forum and I'm very glad that it is more moderated than forums such as Harmony Central.
Ultimately, when you have a collection of people psoting on an internet forum, there will be instances where people do not agree all of the time, but we have a responsibility as users to comply with the simple rules that we have agreed to.
Just my 2 pence.
There are certain rules that the owner/moderator of the forum asks us to respect, we agree to respect those rules when we register to use the forum.
Although we are allowed to post on this forum, we don't have an automatic right to do so. It costs money to host the forum, plus the software itself is not free. We are essentially using a service that someone pays for. The gear page forum is run on a donation scheme, but even there, you do not have the right to post carte blanche.
Usually, the threads that I have seen locked here are ones that don't relate directly to EBMM (the owners of the board) or are threads that result in arguments (car-crash threads).
Sometimes, by locking threads early, an argument can be avoided and people will have the chance to possibly calm down, before posting anything that they may regret.
It's difficult to always read the intention of the poster, as sometimes a written phrase can be mis-understood. When this happens, volatile tempers can flare up and the thread can descend into insults and arguments. Whilst these threads do get a lot of views, it is not a pleasant thing to watch, especially when you see people posting things that they may regret at a later date.
Locking a thread is a quick way to stop the current argument from escalating and is a decision that is not taken lightly by the moderators. It's not about hiding anything.
From one or two recent threads that I've seen locked, they looked as though they could have turned into more arguments, so I think the decision to lock them was a valid one. I don't think that this is an overly moderated forum and I'm very glad that it is more moderated than forums such as Harmony Central.
Ultimately, when you have a collection of people psoting on an internet forum, there will be instances where people do not agree all of the time, but we have a responsibility as users to comply with the simple rules that we have agreed to.
Just my 2 pence.
ok ok
i see that it wasn't possible to say something other good or well
i want to post on thread about Brent i can't
ok
@DrKev have you an other pseudo on French EBMM Forum have you an EBMM..
i'm play on EBMM since 15 years i've bought 3 (i know it's not a lot but regards of the price in France it's not bad.....) and an another one will arrive
i'm agree it's not possible to let someone write insane words,insults or more
but just a point of vue
i don't think that i've no respect of someone
just explain my ideas
sorry i've make a mistake an other one perhaps
but my EBMM are not to sell
iF someone have a pleasure to banned me of this forum i let him make
i see that it wasn't possible to say something other good or well
i want to post on thread about Brent i can't
ok
@DrKev have you an other pseudo on French EBMM Forum have you an EBMM..
i'm play on EBMM since 15 years i've bought 3 (i know it's not a lot but regards of the price in France it's not bad.....) and an another one will arrive
i'm agree it's not possible to let someone write insane words,insults or more
but just a point of vue
i don't think that i've no respect of someone
just explain my ideas
sorry i've make a mistake an other one perhaps
but my EBMM are not to sell
iF someone have a pleasure to banned me of this forum i let him make
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BigTony
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Nice post Jimmy!
I don't think there is anything wrong with this thread. I think Luke69 is merely asking for an answer to his question. People have differing and varied opinions on thread locking and such. I would really struggle to be a mod and have to make that decision. Is it better to let people get it out of thier system and then hug and make up, or do you lock the thread and hope they calm down, but without actually giving the opportunity to kiss and make up.
Sometimes locking a thread can be the worst thing to do. Sometimes its for the best. How is the balance kept! I have no idea, but I don't think its wrong to ask the question.
Btw, I dont think any of the recent thread locking has been anything to do with headbutting, I think the threads were just dead.
I don't think there is anything wrong with this thread. I think Luke69 is merely asking for an answer to his question. People have differing and varied opinions on thread locking and such. I would really struggle to be a mod and have to make that decision. Is it better to let people get it out of thier system and then hug and make up, or do you lock the thread and hope they calm down, but without actually giving the opportunity to kiss and make up.
Sometimes locking a thread can be the worst thing to do. Sometimes its for the best. How is the balance kept! I have no idea, but I don't think its wrong to ask the question.
Btw, I dont think any of the recent thread locking has been anything to do with headbutting, I think the threads were just dead.
Dizzy
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Bring on the day technology allows one to thread-teleport and rip the head off anyone who pi$$es one off.
Then again, I guess people would be more polite............ especially little men with big mouths.
Then again, I guess people would be more polite............ especially little men with big mouths.
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tommyindelaware
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DrKev
Moderator
No Luke69, I'm not on the French forum.
lumberjack
Well-known member
Sorry, Tommy.
Acting like a bit of a smart a$$ with this one. Not toward Luke69, though. Just trying to insert some of my Canucklehead humour. I will lock myself now.
BigTony
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Sorry, Tommy.
Coffee always helps
Smellybum
Well-known member
My opinion....
Poppa's Board,
Poppa's Rules,
If you don't like it......."the exit is right there..." - it's a lot better than a lot of other boards
Poppa's Board,
Poppa's Rules,
If you don't like it......."the exit is right there..." - it's a lot better than a lot of other boards
Big Poppa
Well-known member
Luke69
IF a thread stays interesting it stays open
if a thread stays kind and respectful regardless of a certain position it stays open
if a thread attacks the owner of the board, its mods, or employees..... it gets closed
if a thread has a poster that will not stop with his opinion until he has beaten it bloody then it gets closed.
WE have tried it both ways and let threads that have turned to ugly mean trainwreck go on for 10 pages and it accomplishes nothing but alienate people.
One of the only tools you have is th close a thread and we hate to do it but I have found that it is better to close the ugly ones rather than turn them into a venom fest.
THe social aspect is that the negative threads are the most viewed. It is like people watching a car wreck....they slow down and look and it is kind of morbid.
The funny thing is that we have been running this for about 5 years...it has grown substantially and with that growth comes both good and bad THe funnier thing is that to get asked to leave you really have to piss off Me, the mods and the employees who participate here. WE have only banned or asked to leave 10 people in five years but they get the most attention sometimes because I think that is their intention.
BOth Bob Taylor and Paul Reed Smith tried to participate in their forum. THey both ran after the demands from the public that tried to run their business after the initial euphoria of having the owner on the board wore off. HOw many customers can really justify demanding via pm and this board that the owner of a company call them to discuss the cost of guitars in Europe like you did last week? Your attitude then and now makes me want to join PRS and Taylor on the sidelines.
THis forum is financed and run by my company and a few very hard working UNPAID moderators. Out goal is to provide a forum for people to share their passion for our stuff. Period. It is not manditory that you pariticpate...in trying to keep this as even as possible we hope to have a forum that is pleasant for the majority rather than the attention seekng minority.
An action gets a reaction. If you read your original thread it is hard to not answer you in the same tone that you started with. I have taken the high road and tried to answer you in a much better tone than you originated this thread in.
I am not afriad of Brent, or your thread about the cost of guitars....... they were just beat to death.
I mean this with all respect.....This forum software is very inexpensive. If you want to be the sole person who controls content then I think you should start your own and see how much time and effort it is............ provided you can get an audience. If you walked a Kilometer in our shoes you might have some emphathy.
Luke I like having you on board and really would like you to continue and hopefully you understand the intent and prupose here and maybe that will make things clearer. I also appreciate very much the fac thtat you play and love our guitars.
IF a thread stays interesting it stays open
if a thread stays kind and respectful regardless of a certain position it stays open
if a thread attacks the owner of the board, its mods, or employees..... it gets closed
if a thread has a poster that will not stop with his opinion until he has beaten it bloody then it gets closed.
WE have tried it both ways and let threads that have turned to ugly mean trainwreck go on for 10 pages and it accomplishes nothing but alienate people.
One of the only tools you have is th close a thread and we hate to do it but I have found that it is better to close the ugly ones rather than turn them into a venom fest.
THe social aspect is that the negative threads are the most viewed. It is like people watching a car wreck....they slow down and look and it is kind of morbid.
The funny thing is that we have been running this for about 5 years...it has grown substantially and with that growth comes both good and bad THe funnier thing is that to get asked to leave you really have to piss off Me, the mods and the employees who participate here. WE have only banned or asked to leave 10 people in five years but they get the most attention sometimes because I think that is their intention.
BOth Bob Taylor and Paul Reed Smith tried to participate in their forum. THey both ran after the demands from the public that tried to run their business after the initial euphoria of having the owner on the board wore off. HOw many customers can really justify demanding via pm and this board that the owner of a company call them to discuss the cost of guitars in Europe like you did last week? Your attitude then and now makes me want to join PRS and Taylor on the sidelines.
THis forum is financed and run by my company and a few very hard working UNPAID moderators. Out goal is to provide a forum for people to share their passion for our stuff. Period. It is not manditory that you pariticpate...in trying to keep this as even as possible we hope to have a forum that is pleasant for the majority rather than the attention seekng minority.
An action gets a reaction. If you read your original thread it is hard to not answer you in the same tone that you started with. I have taken the high road and tried to answer you in a much better tone than you originated this thread in.
I am not afriad of Brent, or your thread about the cost of guitars....... they were just beat to death.
I mean this with all respect.....This forum software is very inexpensive. If you want to be the sole person who controls content then I think you should start your own and see how much time and effort it is............ provided you can get an audience. If you walked a Kilometer in our shoes you might have some emphathy.
Luke I like having you on board and really would like you to continue and hopefully you understand the intent and prupose here and maybe that will make things clearer. I also appreciate very much the fac thtat you play and love our guitars.
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Jimmyb
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I don't think anyone will want to ban you, just because you express your point of view.
I think the problem with the particular thread you mentioned was that it had run a particular course and people were beginning to get polarised in their opinions. Personally, I don't think that the thread should have been started in the first place, there is a thread for e-bay items and the other discussion was off-topic. I think it was too soon after the event to open that particular wound again.
This is a manufacturer's forum, where we can discuss our love for the guitars first and foremost. We are really fortunate to have Sterling taking an active part in what goes on here, it gives us a great insight and we're lucky enough to get some scoops as well. We've all got to remember though, that not everyone that comes and visits here is an enthusiast to the level that we are. Many people chance across this thread because they're searching the internet for information, perhaps before making a potential purchase. Some of what gets said in the threads can project a derogatory image to a first-time visitor.
It's not that the moderators don't want you to give your opinion on threads like that, it's just that they have to have some control when it comes to threads like those ones.
I don't think that you've made a mistake in asking the question, it's reasonable to ask. I think that because of the translation problem, it may not have come across with the tone that you intended it to, it does read as a little hostile. My French is absolutely rubbish though, so I admire your ability to write in what is not your first language.
je suis en rockstar
Big Poppa
Well-known member
well put Jimmy. Thanks
Jimmyb
Well-known member
BP in regards of your answer
in France we can discuss with Patrice and why not with you ?
i consider continue to go on this forum but only like a visitor
it's better for all
thanks to Jimmyb which have understand my question
never forget that we are customers but also sellers when we spoke EBMM Guitars,
when we let to plays PRS owners.....with our EBMM
bye bye
tommyindelaware
Well-known member
me sorry too !!! i thought u were serious. now for my mountain dew.....
Sorry, Tommy.
bovinehost
Administrator
Moderating this place is interesting.
(Sometimes in the Chinese curse sense of 'interesting'.)
(Usually not.)
There has been a bit of drama lately; I try to take the long view. In other words, if someone picks up their username and stalks off in a huff, I say, "Well, it was their choice and the forum itself won't go down in flames."
I'd like everyone who ever signs on to be warm and happy and full of good cheer, but as big as we've come to be, it's never going to be a hundred percent. So we do what we can, as a community, to minimize the drama and the personal conflicts and the non-EBMM posting - and it's almost always a great place to be due to the thoughtful participation of the Forumites.
So there are bumps in the road. Such is life and such is the internet.
I think asking why a thread was closed is USUALLY just looking for trouble, because it USUALLY means that the person asking wants to continue to beat a dead horse. Maybe not in this case, but it's something to consider.
So if you have a question about why a thread was closed, from now on, let's not start a thread about why a thread was closed.
Okay? If you REALLY want to know why - and not just re-open a closed issue - then you can PM me or any of the other moderators.
Jack
(Sometimes in the Chinese curse sense of 'interesting'.)
(Usually not.)
There has been a bit of drama lately; I try to take the long view. In other words, if someone picks up their username and stalks off in a huff, I say, "Well, it was their choice and the forum itself won't go down in flames."
I'd like everyone who ever signs on to be warm and happy and full of good cheer, but as big as we've come to be, it's never going to be a hundred percent. So we do what we can, as a community, to minimize the drama and the personal conflicts and the non-EBMM posting - and it's almost always a great place to be due to the thoughtful participation of the Forumites.
So there are bumps in the road. Such is life and such is the internet.
I think asking why a thread was closed is USUALLY just looking for trouble, because it USUALLY means that the person asking wants to continue to beat a dead horse. Maybe not in this case, but it's something to consider.
So if you have a question about why a thread was closed, from now on, let's not start a thread about why a thread was closed.
Okay? If you REALLY want to know why - and not just re-open a closed issue - then you can PM me or any of the other moderators.
Jack
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