Question Trem spring question

[mikeller]

Just curious of the advantage/disadvantage to using 2 trem springs in a V formation vs 3 straight on? I have always used 3 straight on, but the previous owner of my SM Y2D has two????

 

[Spudmurphy]

2 springs will result in the trem claw being screwed a lot more into the body. 3 springs provide more pull so the the claw will be adjusted out more. I've tried V formation and a straight pull - cant say that I have noticed much difference.

FWIW having 3 springs may pick up the resonance more than 2. eg I played a cheap guitar and could really hear the resonance through the springs. Interestingly enough I'm building a guitar at the moment using a brass bar beer drip tray similar to this
LONDON PRIDE FULLERS BRASS DRIP TRAY PUB/BAR/CLUB BANKS | eBay
that covers a mahog/ash capped body. I'm routing cavities into the body same as the reflex and may experiment by screwing springs into the cavities - I know it sounds odd but I'm really interested in how it will sound,

 

[Mikey]

Using two springs instead of three will provide for a little softer trem action. Three springs will produce higher resistance against trem movement in any form - e.g. by using the trem arm or just by bending strings.

 

[tonelover]

I've noticed that when engaging or disengaging the D-Tuna on my Axises, that there is enough tension change to throw the tuning slightly out of whack. Not enough to be noticable to most people but my tuner clearly shows it. I screwed the claw in a little more thinking it would put more tension on the springs, thus keeping the trem in place but that didn't solve the issue. Any thoughts on whether moving to three springs instead of the current two might add sufficient tension to eliminate the slight tuning shift I described?

 

[WHOFAN]

I've noticed that when engaging or disengaging the D-Tuna on my Axises, that there is enough tension change to throw the tuning slightly out of whack. Not enough to be noticable to most people but my tuner clearly shows it. I screwed the claw in a little more thinking it would put more tension on the springs, thus keeping the trem in place but that didn't solve the issue. Any thoughts on whether moving to three springs instead of the current two might add sufficient tension to eliminate the slight tuning shift I described?

this maybe caused from the less/more tention on the neck when using the D-Tuna.... causing the neck to slightly flex with the differences in string tention

 

[mikeller]

I went ahead with 3 in a straight line - its the way I have always done it and seems to make the best sense to my mind!!

 

[TNT]

Yeah, what Spud.

Although, I've always noticed a "somewhat" substantial difference, though (and i've tried most all config's) maybe not that big of a deal to others.

I like the 2 set-up (but it's not necessarily the best in all aspects), becuase it gives me the "rubbery" movement of the bar that I like vs. a more rigid, less fluid movement. However, this is offset to some degree by loss of stability, e.g., firm resting of the plate on the body. (there are other things too, but I won't bore you)

 

[BrickGlass]

I've noticed that when engaging or disengaging the D-Tuna on my Axises, that there is enough tension change to throw the tuning slightly out of whack. Not enough to be noticable to most people but my tuner clearly shows it. I screwed the claw in a little more thinking it would put more tension on the springs, thus keeping the trem in place but that didn't solve the issue. Any thoughts on whether moving to three springs instead of the current two might add sufficient tension to eliminate the slight tuning shift I described?

Have had that same problem with the D-Tuna on my Peavey Wolfgang for going on 12 years now. The only thing that has ever helped is to tighten the screw claw quite a bit. Never liked that though because that made using the trem. bar not fun since there was so much tension and I would have to push so hard to do a dive. 3 springs and really tightening the claw would help, but I have found it much more worth it to just slightly tweak the other five strings when changing from E to D or going from D back to E. I have learned exactly how far to move the fine tuners and get them to be right in tune so I can do it in just a few seconds. Not cool, but I have literally tried every freaking thing in the world. Even contacted Peavey and talked to their "Wolfgang" guy. He had some suggestions, all of which I had already tried or inspected. Oh well.

 

[Jack FFR1846]

I go a step further. 3 springs.....all of them angled. I know you're thinking "What???". Picture to describe it below.

 

[TNT]

Nice - I follow it!!

 

[shredhed]

That's the built in "flaw" with the dtuna. The neck is allowed to relax when the dtuna is pulled out - it pulls the other 5 strings sharp a bit.

 

[Tollywood]

I've noticed that when engaging or disengaging the D-Tuna on my Axises, that there is enough tension change to throw the tuning slightly out of whack. Not enough to be noticable to most people but my tuner clearly shows it. I screwed the claw in a little more thinking it would put more tension on the springs, thus keeping the trem in place but that didn't solve the issue. Any thoughts on whether moving to three springs instead of the current two might add sufficient tension to eliminate the slight tuning shift I described?

Hi Tone,

I tune the low E string to D with the D-Tuna pulled out and the fine tuner backed off more more than the others.

Then lock down, and fine tune the low E to D.

Next, push in the D-Tuna to make the low E an E and if it is slightly out of tune, there is a tiny allen screw on the D-Tuna itself to get it dialed in properly.

Good Luck!

-Bryan

P.S. - I switched my claw to a brass claw, and I use Floyd Upgrades coated Noiseless Springs (2 in a "V").

 

[ozzyrules]

New to Floyds and have a rookie question. My newly acquired EVH has a slightly higher action than my Tribute Axis. I immediately looked at the way that the Floyd rests against the body. It rests slightly higher than what I would expect to be normal(meaning that there is a slight gap, as if you were diving the tremolo). I haven't pulled the back plate to see how many springs are installed, but I suspect only two. If I add a 3rd spring, will this help lower the Floyd,close the gap, and therefore lower the action?

 

[BrickGlass]

Hi Tone,

I tune the low E string to D with the D-Tuna pulled out and the fine tuner backed off more more than the others.

Then lock down, and fine tune the low E to D.

Next, push in the D-Tuna to make the low E an E and if it is slightly out of tune, there is a tiny allen screw on the D-Tuna itself to get it dialed in properly.

Good Luck!

-Bryan

P.S. - I switched my claw to a brass claw, and I use Floyd Upgrades coated Noiseless Springs (2 in a "V").

This is not what he is talking about I don't think. He is talking about the other 5 strings going out of tune when using the D-Tuna.