I own a Marshall AVT 50 half-stack and a JCM 900 half-stack, and an AXIS. It seem's to me like the pickup's are a little trebly. I recently took my axis down to Prosound and plugged it in to a Peavy 5150 II half-stack and the difference was amamzing. The Mid's sounded better, the high's not so high, and a very punchy bass. The contour Knob that's on it really cleaned up the sound alot. I was just wondering if ErnieBall had That amp in mind when it was first developing the EVH?
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dwf1004
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My understanding (anyone, feel free to add/confirm/correct) is that they were both in development at the same time, though7
the EVH or axis as it is now called actually was made before the 5150 amp.
ed used a soldano SLO for the whole debut of the EBMM guitar on disc(For unlawful carnal knowledge)
while the guitar was being made he still used that and his marshall.
so the pups are voiced to suit a marshall or soldano and the 5150 is said to be in the middle of those two anyway
ed used a soldano SLO for the whole debut of the EBMM guitar on disc(For unlawful carnal knowledge)
while the guitar was being made he still used that and his marshall.
so the pups are voiced to suit a marshall or soldano and the 5150 is said to be in the middle of those two anyway
PurpleSport
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I don't own one, but the 5150s I've tried and heard others use are definitely middy amps, to my ears.
EVH's post-Marshall/homebrew guitar sound is definitely much thicker and less edgy than his original "brown" tone, so much so that I'm still surprised to this very day that he got into it like he did. If going "browner" with the 5150 meant getting meatier and losing some of the Marshall's presence, he most certainly accomplished that. Other guys who switched to them from other amps also seem to have gotten a mid boost compared to their original tone, whether there was an Axis at the headend or not.
What's really funny is my Axis Sport has MM90s, which are so different sounding than the regular Axis humbuckers, and they sound great thru the 5150 model on my Boss GT-6 (which I previously wasn't into that much), which I hear is a spot-on imitation of the original. It also sounds like they were designed to work together, though I'd doubt they were.
(That said, on a recent Roland new products video, there's a sales rep who's also using an MM90-ed Axis into their entry level modelling/FX unit and getting a killer lead sound which sounds similar to the tone I found...funny how things work out.)
EVH's post-Marshall/homebrew guitar sound is definitely much thicker and less edgy than his original "brown" tone, so much so that I'm still surprised to this very day that he got into it like he did. If going "browner" with the 5150 meant getting meatier and losing some of the Marshall's presence, he most certainly accomplished that. Other guys who switched to them from other amps also seem to have gotten a mid boost compared to their original tone, whether there was an Axis at the headend or not.
What's really funny is my Axis Sport has MM90s, which are so different sounding than the regular Axis humbuckers, and they sound great thru the 5150 model on my Boss GT-6 (which I previously wasn't into that much), which I hear is a spot-on imitation of the original. It also sounds like they were designed to work together, though I'd doubt they were.
(That said, on a recent Roland new products video, there's a sales rep who's also using an MM90-ed Axis into their entry level modelling/FX unit and getting a killer lead sound which sounds similar to the tone I found...funny how things work out.)
not funny at all actually, see VH's original P.A.F pup in that strat was like a P-90 only slightly fatter toned and obvioulsy hum canceling.PurpleSport said:
I know one guy who uses a DLX-90 by dimarzio and it sounds very old VH
Tech Talk:
This is a very "even-tempered" pickup, with a fairly uniform frequency response, so it has a very round tone in the neck position and more biting bridge sound. Some of the very oldest single-coil soapbars had a very smooth treble rolloff over 2500 cycles - that's why harmonics sounded so fat coming off of these pickups, and it's one of the things we built into the DLX-90™.
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It's been a while since I've read the articles but I believe the Carnal Knowledge album was recorded with, among other equipment, prototypes of both the EVH and the 5150.
I know the intro for "Runaround" was actually recorded with a Telecaster.
There is nothing substantial to back this up but I've heard it said that the 5150 was voiced for the EVH and the 5150 II is voiced more for a Wolfgang. Take that free information for what it's worth though. I don't know that it's true.
I know the intro for "Runaround" was actually recorded with a Telecaster.
There is nothing substantial to back this up but I've heard it said that the 5150 was voiced for the EVH and the 5150 II is voiced more for a Wolfgang. Take that free information for what it's worth though. I don't know that it's true.
pack-rat
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what guitar was he playing on the song 316 (studio version) ?
on the videos that I have seen where he was playing live on the carnal knowledge it was axis.
I think I remember seeing them do a who cover (won't get fooled again) at the 5150 studios he was plahing an axis as well.
on the videos that I have seen where he was playing live on the carnal knowledge it was axis.
I think I remember seeing them do a who cover (won't get fooled again) at the 5150 studios he was plahing an axis as well.
hbucker said:
The 5150 may have been in a prototype
form but was not used,
andy johns commented the following
AJ,
" we tried using ED's old original marshall,but it did not sound very good and was giving him a lot of problems, so i suggested soldano,i have used them to record on many occasions and had very good results with them. so we used that one head(SLO) for the whole record, which was new to me because it was the first time i used ONE amp for a entire record" end quote.
you are right about the EBMM being more matched with the 515o and the 5150II with a wolfgang,when ED was getting peavey to design his pups the 5150II was the amp they used ,so they are voiced for that second 5150
OrangeChannel
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The 5150II wasn't a thought at the time they deisgned the Wolfie, it debuted several years after the fact. The 5150 was the only EVH amp Peavey had in production at the time. Timelines people!
OrangeChannel
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Yeah he did Hb! After the fact...lol. I dunno there's something about the 5150II that sounds like poop to my ears. The original 5150 has loads of tone if you turn the gain way down.
After the fact...lol. I dunno there's something about the 5150II that sounds like poop to my ears. The original 5150 has loads of tone if you turn the gain way down.Wolfgang Ball
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Here is what I know about the recording of my favorite Van Halen album F.U.C.K;
Ed used the following guitars
a Telecaster on Runaround
the last known use of the 5150 Kramer on Judgement Day
a Steinburger on Pleasure Dome
A Chet Atkins (sorry if spelling is not correct) on 316
and a Korina body original 57 (i think) Flying V on Top of The World, the same one used on Hot For Teacher.
As far as what amps, I heard he used his original Marshall, even on Balance for the Clean sounds before the 5150 combo was made. VH 3 was the first fully 5150 amp album, well so Ed says.
As for the use of the 5150 and the MM on F.U.C.K, he may have but i'm not sure on what tracks.
Ed used the following guitars
a Telecaster on Runaround
the last known use of the 5150 Kramer on Judgement Day
a Steinburger on Pleasure Dome
A Chet Atkins (sorry if spelling is not correct) on 316
and a Korina body original 57 (i think) Flying V on Top of The World, the same one used on Hot For Teacher.
As far as what amps, I heard he used his original Marshall, even on Balance for the Clean sounds before the 5150 combo was made. VH 3 was the first fully 5150 amp album, well so Ed says.
As for the use of the 5150 and the MM on F.U.C.K, he may have but i'm not sure on what tracks.
pack-rat
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which Chet Atkins was it the Chet Atkins CE, CEC , SSE, Tennessean, Country Gentleman ?
Sry a bit off topic next:
Mr. Guitar had a huge deal with Gibson. I always liked him and remember when I was about 8 years old or so I first saw him on T.V. and he played 2 songs at the same time. I thought that was so cool. I think the first instrution book I owned was Chet Atkins.
trivia question : Anyone know who it was that Chet Atkins called his contemporary ?
hint: Canadian Jazz gutiarist
Sry a bit off topic next:
Mr. Guitar had a huge deal with Gibson. I always liked him and remember when I was about 8 years old or so I first saw him on T.V. and he played 2 songs at the same time. I thought that was so cool. I think the first instrution book I owned was Chet Atkins.
trivia question : Anyone know who it was that Chet Atkins called his contemporary ?
hint: Canadian Jazz gutiarist
howling wolf
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I think the wolfgang pu's sound more old VH,i am selling my EVH dimarzio ones
JDouglee
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For the record, a prototype Custom Audio 3+ preamp was also used on Carnal Knowledge...without the toroid transformer
OrangeChannel
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Matt Bruck said he also used the Soldano on almost every track on carnal. Actually from what I remember Reinhold Bogner was rebuilding the Plexi from the ground up at the time so it wasn't really utilized on Carnal.
