What 3-way toggle was used in the Sub1?

[DaPatrooch]

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I'd assume the same switch is used in other EBMM instruments, but what company is it made by? I'm in the process of re-wiring my Sub1 and the schematic has a wire coming out of this place that doesn't seem to be present on the actual switch.

Thanks

 

[Slingy]

I had mine replaced with an aftermarket one, and a bone nut. Only because this guitar gets alot of abuse. But still I can open it and take a photo if you like.

 

[Jack FFR1846]

The switch has an "SR" on one side. It's the only marking that's not related to the rating of the switch.

 

[jamminjim]

this is what it looks like in circuit let me know what wire you want to know about as I have a loaded SUB1 guard handy in the closet
other than that I see that each green wire from the humbuckers will go to the outside contacts on the switch the white wire goes to the center contact. The white is the output that goes to the volume pot.
take a look at the photo below , it is a little different than than the schematic shows. The schematic shows the wiring going to the last two rows of three contacts , but in actuality they aren't used.

 

[tommyindelaware]

Acme Guitar Works - Guitar Parts, Pickups, Electronics, and Prewired Assemblies

 

[DaPatrooch]

Thanks for the pic and help guys. I posted about this on the Seymour Duncan forum too, and they told me that wire was the output wire.

Here's the schematic:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support...matic=2h_1v_3w
The wire I'm talking about is coming from the top of the pickup switch.

The problem is that I don't know where that is located on the actual switch.

 

[Jack FFR1846]

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[DaPatrooch]

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Oh didn't notice that I'll try again.

Wiring Diagram

That should do it.

 

[MusicManJP6]

You're on a mission, dude! Good luck with the pickup swap...

 

[DaPatrooch]

You're on a mission, dude! Good luck with the pickup swap...

Thanks! Everything's finished except for that one wire.

 

[jamminjim]

Ok look at this wiring diagram.
Look at the pickup selector which is the switch. The switch is grounded by the foil on the pickguard because the switch is screwed down to the pickguard and the metal body of the switch is touching it. The pot cases are also touching the foil in this manner and (one or both of) the pots have ground wires soldered to them.
There are three terminals on the switch. The top one would be from the neck pickup, the middle is the white wire to the volume pot (output) and the last one is for the bridge humbucker. If you have wired a ground to any of the three terminals of the switch you have made an error. Ground should be picked up from the foil on the pickguard, which is conductive. The body of the switch is grounded in that manner.

If you have no conductive foil on the back of the pickguard, you could alternatively ground the switch body by using a ring terminal around the threaded portion of the switch (under the pickguard) and then run a wire from it to the back of a pot. Is that helpful?

Btw that switch drawn in the Duncan picture sucks, and shouldn't be drawn lie cat in a schematic.

When you are finished, you should be able to use a mulitmeter set on ohms and be able to read continuity between the bridge metal, switch case, pot cases, output jack sleeve, ground wire on the pickups, and the conductive foil on the back of the pickguard. In some guitars even the pickup cavities are conductive and should be able to be checked for continuity.

 

[DaPatrooch]

I did all that stuff, the thing I can't figure out is where the single wire coming from the right on that diagram is on the actual switch, that's the last thing I have to do.

 

[jamminjim]

The terminal (connection on switch) you are looking for does not exist on this switch. If it did you could find it easily. There are only three double terminals on this ON-ON-ON switch. All six of the terminals on the switch are used for switching the pickups, nothing to dowith grounding. Ground connects to the body of the switch through the conductive foil, or alternatively as I described above. I would forget the Duncan diagram. Look at the diagram I posted. Also look at the picture of the switch Tommy posted. There are three sets of double terminals, or conversely, two sets of three. Each set of three switches exactly the same. In your case, or on a sub one, ground does not connect to any of the six terminals. See the metal parts of the switch, ground connects there.

The Duncan diagram shows the center connection on the top of the switch (which is the wire/terminal you are talking about that you can't find) and it is deceiving/incorrect, it is NOT a terminal and it is NOT where the hot lead connects. The center terminal below on that switch is shown connected to the back of a pot. That is NOT where the ground connects, and that is why I do not like the diagram. The center terminal shown on the bottom of the switch is supposed to connect to the volume pot terminal, it's the hot lead out (white wire ina Sub1). The top connection shown in Duncans diagram (that doesn't exist on an actual switch) should be the ground connection. And ground is made as I have previously described. It's almost as if Duncan purposely drew the switch deceivingly to confuse folks that are not well versed in electronics. The diagram I posted (guitarelectronics.com) is the way it should be drawn. If you will, notice that the ground connection in my posted drawing is not connected to a switch terminal, rather it is shown contacting the case of the switch.

It would be better if you would use the diagram I posted.

Is it possible for you to post a picture of your wiring to your switch?

BTW Tommy, thanks for posting the switch info. They are really high quality switches that evidently have been discontinued by the manufacturer.

 

[Tim O'Sullivan]

I don't know who makes these switches, but whenever I have needed replacements my tech always sources them from Music Man.

 

[DaPatrooch]

Thanks guys! I'll post pics when I have the chance, and maybe you can see if you can find what I'm doing wrong. The only camera I have though is my cell phone, so I don't know how good they'll be.

 

[Jack FFR1846]

There's what it looks like stock.

 

[bkrumme]

What kind of pickup are you putting in the SUB? If it's a duncan, the wiring diagram you have will work, but if it's a DiMarzio, the color scheme they use for their pickup wires is different...

For instance, the Seymour Duncan diagram you have shows the red and white wires tied together. For a SD pup, that's correct. If you're using a DiMarzio pup, it should be BLACK and white tied together.

*EDIT* If the pickup only has 2 conductors, then the inner core wire is the hot wire and the outside braid is the ground.

 

[jamminjim]

how some different pickups are wired...

GuitarElectronics.com Pickup Color Codes