timrams88
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whats so special about the axis, im looken at an original lespaul right now their so beautiful and sound great. ive never heard an axis but im hearin sum stuff bout it, just tell me why their so special.
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To briefly sum it up:
Best neck of any guitar. As much sustain as a LP. Consistant quality (unlike gibsons). Better woods & tops. Creamy sound. Way more exclusive and in my opinion better looking than a LP. Oh and with all of that they are also cheaper!
An Axis Fan!
Best neck of any guitar. As much sustain as a LP. Consistant quality (unlike gibsons). Better woods & tops. Creamy sound. Way more exclusive and in my opinion better looking than a LP. Oh and with all of that they are also cheaper!
An Axis Fan!
shreder75
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spkirby said:
yep, that pretty much sums it up..lol...
let's not forget that the higher frets are easier to get to as well..
I'm not sayin' I don't like LP's..but I don't the price tag makes them better than my axis..
I mean, it's almost 4 grand for a zakk wylde signature LP...4 grand! for a LP with emg's in it..that's craziness....
my lynch and my axis didn't cost that much combined..
bing4sons
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It's also weighs much less.
timrams88
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gibsons have been around for a super long time. and im not sayin erinieball is bad but i see more people with gibsons then i do the axis or the shilouette or the luke exc. why is that. all i want is to no what is so good about the axis or even the shiloette ok all music man guitars thats makes a great guitar???
shreder75
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timrams88 said:gibsons have been around for a super long time. and im not sayin erinieball is bad but i see more people with gibsons then i do the axis or the shilouette or the luke exc. why is that. all i want is to no what is so good about the axis or even the shiloette ok all music man guitars thats makes a great guitar???
playability
build quality
sound
I wouldn't say they're cheap, but they're not as costly as a gibson...
my question is what makes gibsons so expensive?
pick up an axis and see hwo it plays....u may answer yer own question
Timrams,
if the Axis was like the Les Paul and had been around since 1952 theres a good chance you would be seeing more of them!!
Gibson and Fender have been around since the dawn of modern guitar building so of course their names are higher profile and more people know about them. The more people know about a brand the more likely they are to buy from that brand. I dare say that the Les Paul would not be as popular as it is now if it wasnt for that bloke in a top hat cranking out sweet child o mine in the 80's!!!
The Axis (nee EVH) was on a sales high when Eddie Van Halen was using them (he helped design them) but then he wandered off to Peavey when Musicman refused to produce them in high volumes - where there could be a chance of lower quality!!! Says it all in my book!!!
I feel Musicman is more the guitarists guitar brand, for musicians who know better and don't want to follow the herd...dont want to sound snobby here but there you go!! As shreder75 says, try one out to really answer your question!
Lastly, if the guitar was good enough for EVH, it'll be good enough for you!!!
Lecture over!
Steve
if the Axis was like the Les Paul and had been around since 1952 theres a good chance you would be seeing more of them!!
Gibson and Fender have been around since the dawn of modern guitar building so of course their names are higher profile and more people know about them. The more people know about a brand the more likely they are to buy from that brand. I dare say that the Les Paul would not be as popular as it is now if it wasnt for that bloke in a top hat cranking out sweet child o mine in the 80's!!!
The Axis (nee EVH) was on a sales high when Eddie Van Halen was using them (he helped design them) but then he wandered off to Peavey when Musicman refused to produce them in high volumes - where there could be a chance of lower quality!!! Says it all in my book!!!
I feel Musicman is more the guitarists guitar brand, for musicians who know better and don't want to follow the herd...dont want to sound snobby here but there you go!! As shreder75 says, try one out to really answer your question!
Lastly, if the guitar was good enough for EVH, it'll be good enough for you!!!
Lecture over!
Steve
Hey Tim. I just got my first MM 3 days ago. (Axis Sport) I understand where you are coming from cause I didn't know xxxx about MM guitars before. When it came time to start looking for my next guitar...I knew a couple of guys that played them and so I started looking into them. I tried some out and it was on! I knew I wanted one. So I did research research research....just to confirm that I wasn't off in my estimate of the quality and playability. They are truly a quality guitar. Mine is awesome! But you will have to try them yourself to truly appreciate it I believe....just like I had to do.
They are generally less expensive to purchase than a Gibson LP. As to quality and playability etc. I'd pick my Axis Sport over a Gibson LP (which I have played also) any day of the week. JMHO
There is great info available on the web. The best info is probably right here in this forum. Take a look at some of the postings related to Axis guitars (if that is your interest) and you will find several discussing the qualities of this fine guitar.
The folks here in this forum are very friendly, helpful, and are willing to share their knowledge on this topic. Good luck in your search.
They are generally less expensive to purchase than a Gibson LP. As to quality and playability etc. I'd pick my Axis Sport over a Gibson LP (which I have played also) any day of the week. JMHO
There is great info available on the web. The best info is probably right here in this forum. Take a look at some of the postings related to Axis guitars (if that is your interest) and you will find several discussing the qualities of this fine guitar.
The folks here in this forum are very friendly, helpful, and are willing to share their knowledge on this topic. Good luck in your search.
Timrams wrote:
all i want is to no what is so good about the axis or even the shiloette ok all music man guitars thats makes a great guitar???
What can I say, it's the necks, it's the craftsmanship, it's the playability, it's the quality, it's the attention to detail, it's one of the finest instruments you'll ever get your hands on.
I think that should say it all.
Go try one, you'll see.
I have an Axis Sport and a Silohuette Special and merr words can not describe my happiness.
all i want is to no what is so good about the axis or even the shiloette ok all music man guitars thats makes a great guitar???
What can I say, it's the necks, it's the craftsmanship, it's the playability, it's the quality, it's the attention to detail, it's one of the finest instruments you'll ever get your hands on.
I think that should say it all.
Go try one, you'll see.
I have an Axis Sport and a Silohuette Special and merr words can not describe my happiness.
OrangeChannel
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IMHO Gibby's current quality standard went down the tubes. I mean seriously, you can't really get a new LP Std. for less than $2100 (unless you're crafty as hell) and in most cases, they're made like DooDoo for the price. I can see why Gibson opted to sue PRS due to the Singlecut (which still perturbs me because they're hard to get confused, especially since the shape isn't dead on nor is the headstock remotely close.) Another issue is customer service. Try and get Gibson to be as personable as the EBMM guys. There's evidence throughout this forum to attest to EBMM's love for it's fanbase. This is the man reason I'm looking forward to picking up an EBMM. Plus they sound great, and play nicely and are stable as hell.
The choice of a guitar is a very individual thing. I - for instance - have owned three genuine Gibson Les Pauls (a Deluxe LE, a Studio GEM and a Joe Perry sig.), a couple Epi LPs and an original 1980 Tokai Love Rock Custom, and I don't own any of them any longer. I do, however, own five EB/MM Axes. This isn't to say that the Gibsons (or even the Epi's) were necessarily bad guitars - my Goldtop Deluxe was a sweet LP by anyone's standards - but they did not balance as well on a strap or play as easily as an Axis, imho... As others have mentioned, Ernie Ball necks are widely considedered among the very best - if not the best - production guitar necks made, and I find the Axis offers me a lot more flexibility tonally than a Les Paul. Conversely, no Axis that I've ever heard sounds exactly like a Les Paul, but that's to be expected as well. If you're looking for a flexible, pro-grade guitar that offers up excellent tone and world-class playability in a package that's well-balanced, impecably built and light enought to hang all night from your shoulder without tiring you out, the Axis is an excellent choice. But if it's the full-bore, balls-to-the-wall roar of an LP you're looking for, nothing but an LP will do.
my 2¢
my 2¢
hbucker
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Don't be a slave to trends. If you are, just go buy a Fender, Gibson or PRS and all your problems will be solved. My post says nothing about these brands. Their history and success speak for themselves. This post is only about how the aren't the last word in guitars just because everyone has one.
An example of how fickle we guitar players can be would be the mid 80's... EVH created a firestorm with his Kramer endorsement and Floyd Rose trems. Everyone had to have a Kramer. It was THE guitar. I've read where it wasn't unusual for people to trade their vintage 50's & 60's Fenders and Gibsons straight up for Kramers. Anyone who was around then can testify how hot these guitars were. They were very cool.
Where are Kramers now? Well, the original company went out of business in the early 90's so the Kramers currently being made are not even close to the original USA Kramers in anything other than name. While that style of guitar is still around and used, it's hardly trendy. I think one of the things against the Axis is that it was designed by EVH 15 years ago and too many youngsters inappropriately label him with a generic "He was an 80's spandex rocker" tag without knowing anything about him. He isn't trendy right now (until a new album comes out and they go on tour without Gary Cherone).
My long winded point is, if you want to play what everyone else plays, then go buy what they buy. Otherwise, there is a great big wonderful world of guitars out there that many have not heard of. Maybe they've heard of them but they haven't played them... whatever. If you look around you'll find out that many of these guitars are great. That includes the Axis. I personally recommend the Axis Super Sport if you can live without a Floyd. It'll do everything.
This in addition to what others have said (except the slam on PV) are good reasons why you should check out the Axis and not just play what everyone else plays.
If you still love the big 3 then so be it. At least you have a good idea of what is out there when you do make your purchase.
An example of how fickle we guitar players can be would be the mid 80's... EVH created a firestorm with his Kramer endorsement and Floyd Rose trems. Everyone had to have a Kramer. It was THE guitar. I've read where it wasn't unusual for people to trade their vintage 50's & 60's Fenders and Gibsons straight up for Kramers. Anyone who was around then can testify how hot these guitars were. They were very cool.
Where are Kramers now? Well, the original company went out of business in the early 90's so the Kramers currently being made are not even close to the original USA Kramers in anything other than name. While that style of guitar is still around and used, it's hardly trendy. I think one of the things against the Axis is that it was designed by EVH 15 years ago and too many youngsters inappropriately label him with a generic "He was an 80's spandex rocker" tag without knowing anything about him. He isn't trendy right now (until a new album comes out and they go on tour without Gary Cherone).
My long winded point is, if you want to play what everyone else plays, then go buy what they buy. Otherwise, there is a great big wonderful world of guitars out there that many have not heard of. Maybe they've heard of them but they haven't played them... whatever. If you look around you'll find out that many of these guitars are great. That includes the Axis. I personally recommend the Axis Super Sport if you can live without a Floyd. It'll do everything.
This in addition to what others have said (except the slam on PV) are good reasons why you should check out the Axis and not just play what everyone else plays.
If you still love the big 3 then so be it. At least you have a good idea of what is out there when you do make your purchase.
I think it's useless to discuss about what brand is the best...
i currently own a Gibson LP, a Fender Strato, a Luke...i love all of them and If you play every sort of musical genre you can't have only one guitar....Yes i must say that my Luke probably covers the most kinds of music but if you play an hendrix tune probably it comes more "alive" with a strato than a Luke or a jimmy page riff with a LP than with a strato or axis.
What is the best overall guitar?
The one you like most....
milky
i currently own a Gibson LP, a Fender Strato, a Luke...i love all of them and If you play every sort of musical genre you can't have only one guitar....Yes i must say that my Luke probably covers the most kinds of music but if you play an hendrix tune probably it comes more "alive" with a strato than a Luke or a jimmy page riff with a LP than with a strato or axis.
What is the best overall guitar?
The one you like most....
milky
Hbucker,
there was no slam on Peavey (PV), you just misinterpreted my badly written sentence. Let me word it better...and add another 2$...
The Axis (nee EVH) was on a sales high when Eddie Van Halen was using them in the early 90's (he helped design them) but then he wandered off to Peavey. He did this because EB Musicman refused to produce the guitar in higher volumes where there may be a chance of quality issues appearing due to increased production.
For that reason alone you can trust the Musicman company to produce quality instruments even at the expense of losing a high profile endorser!!!
Quality products placed over earnings potential - a nice change and another reason why I'm thrilled to play EBMM guitars!
I can't slam PV as I've never played one, apart from a cheap $100 starters guitar one of my students have but I'd never compare brands based on that experience - not exactly a level playing field!
Timrams, have you tried an Axis yet? Have you got the idea from us boardies yet?
Steve
there was no slam on Peavey (PV), you just misinterpreted my badly written sentence.
Let me word it better...and add another 2$...The Axis (nee EVH) was on a sales high when Eddie Van Halen was using them in the early 90's (he helped design them) but then he wandered off to Peavey. He did this because EB Musicman refused to produce the guitar in higher volumes where there may be a chance of quality issues appearing due to increased production.
For that reason alone you can trust the Musicman company to produce quality instruments even at the expense of losing a high profile endorser!!!
Quality products placed over earnings potential - a nice change and another reason why I'm thrilled to play EBMM guitars!
I can't slam PV as I've never played one, apart from a cheap $100 starters guitar one of my students have but I'd never compare brands based on that experience - not exactly a level playing field!
Timrams, have you tried an Axis yet? Have you got the idea from us boardies yet?
Steve
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I have 0.05 cents
The MM is the only guitar that I can play 6 straight hours ,
And not feel drained , and worn out.
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I have 0.05 cents
The MM is the only guitar that I can play 6 straight hours ,
And not feel drained , and worn out.
That should give you an idea as to how
- smooth the neck is ,
- lfast the action is, ,
- well polished the frets are
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Last time I played with anything for 6 straight hours I was 13 and locked in the bathroom! Okay just a little humor there back to putting my money in the pot. I agree with what everyone has already said so I can't add much. Having said that though for me the LP, for what it does, is hard to beat. Nothing else sounds like a LP in my opinion. But it is somewhat restricting when it comes to versatility. The Axis has a sound and a feel all its own so the "soul" of the guitar wasn't meant to emulate, copy or compete with any other instrument. Comparisons will be made of course but once you own any MM guitar you'll understand what the rest of us are saying. There are lots of nice guitars out there. If you want to pay a ridiculously high price just to have the "G" word on the headstock then more power to you. We pay less and get more letters!
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spkirby said:Hbucker,
there was no slam on Peavey (PV), you just misinterpreted my badly written sentence.
The Axis (nee EVH) was on a sales high when Eddie Van Halen was using them in the early 90's (he helped design them) but then he wandered off to Peavey. He did this because EB Musicman refused to produce the guitar in higher volumes where there may be a chance of quality issues appearing due to increased production.
For that reason alone you can trust the Musicman company to produce quality instruments even at the expense of losing a high profile endorser!!!
Quality products placed over earnings potential - a nice change and another reason why I'm thrilled to play EBMM guitars!
I can't slam PV as I've never played one, apart from a cheap $100 starters guitar one of my students have but I'd never compare brands based on that experience - not exactly a level playing field!
Timrams, have you tried an Axis yet? Have you got the idea from us boardies yet?
Steve
Fair enough but I have $2 of my own. No hard feelings I'm just not sold on any of the rumors as to why EVH left EBMM.
Articles I read back during the production of the EVH had him bragging that they only produced 1,000 per year. At the time he was very proud of that and by my understanding, that was based on his request not EBMM's production limitations. It is also my understanding that EBMM, upon transition to the Axis model has produced well over 1,000 Axis guitars per year although I don't know the exact numbers and yield to anyone who does know for sure. (moderators?) Anyway, I don't see the quality control arguement based on numbers produced per year as a significant issue. If you do that's fine. I just don't.
And the rumor that EVH left because of production numbers doesn't make much sense to me. If they can produce many more than 1,000 Axis' per year, why couldn't they produce that many EVH's?
...I've also heard that EVH had an afair with the head of EBMM's wife so that caused the fricton.
...I've also heard that EVH wanted to make changes to the EVH (the same changes that would be the differences between the EVH and the Wolfgang) and that EBMM would not accomodate his desires for these changes. So he went to PV since he was so happy with how they handled the 5150.
I just see them all as unsubstantiated rumors since I've never heard anything official from EBMM about the split and all I read from EVH was that he wanted changes that EBMM wouldn't give him.
Sorry to get so far off the topic at hand. I'm also sorry if I misunderstood you as slamming PV. I'm pretty sensitive to that since I don't see any quality issues with the Wolfgang or other PV high end guitars. I also don't see the point in stating how good one guitar based on how much other guitars suck. (A common thing to do in these forums but I must say people on this thread haven't been too carried away with it.)
The Axis is a high quality guitar that can stand on it's own against any competition. I personally like the tight, compact feel of the Axis/EVH and can't imagine why anyone else wouldn't too.
Peace.
I've never heard the rumour that EVH slept with the bosses wife! Hahahaa that would be very rock and roll though! (J/J!!!)
For the why Eddie left EBMM reasons see this thread...
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1089
We'll probably never really know but let's keep guessing.
Back on topic...whatever happened, the Axis is a damn fine legacy!
Steve
(J/J!!!)For the why Eddie left EBMM reasons see this thread...
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1089
We'll probably never really know but let's keep guessing.
Back on topic...whatever happened, the Axis is a damn fine legacy!
Steve
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timrams88 said:
I own quite a few nice guitars, but my Axis is currently my number one. I got the guitar on a fluke: I was looking for a strap at GC, saw the Axis SS marked for a spectacular price, and tried it. I used it for a gig a few hours later. IMHO you won't find a better made guitar, the fit and finish are outstanding. The neck is extremely comfortable, high quality hardware.
The Axis is a relatively new design, many players won't look at a guitar designed after 1960. We live in a golden age of guitars, there are a lot of different companies producing great instruments these days. Try and axis and see if it appeals to you. Choosing an instrument is a personal decision, let your ears and hands guide your choice not fashion.
