Help! Yet another JP6 trem tuning stability thread

[ne0stradamus]

Hi, a new owner of a Mystic Dream JP6 here with a quick tremolo question.
Now, I fully realize this is probably impossible to resolve resolve other than by ripping the piezo out and installing locking saddles, but maybe someone has a magical solution.

My JP6 is affected by something that has plagued strat-style trems forever: I can either bend the strings or use the trem freely and stay in tune, but not both.

Normally, I pull the trem up before tuning, then tune the guitar. This way, I can do normal finger bends without throwing the guitar out of tune, but when I dive the bar, the B and high E strings go out of tune. When I pull the trem up, the guitar goes back into tune. Not impossible to live with, but quite annoying. Does every JP6 have this problem? If not, has anyone found a solution other than installing locking saddles or just going to a Floyd Rose guitar?

The trem is set-up correctly, with the bridge being flush and flat to the body. I'm thinking about raising the saddles though, and compensating with lowering the entire bridge plate.

The guitar has had it's nut replaced with a new EBMM nut, there's no binding there. The bridge plate and pivot screws have also been replaced with brand new ones. The nut, the knife edges, the saddles (piezo pieces, and all string contact points) have been lubed with nut sauce.

 

[Rbg]

Just in general, using a non-lock tremolo is always a compromise between notes going flat after bends and going sharp after using the trem. A good tremolo allows you to make this compromise acceptable. Try having like zero string wrapping on the tuners. I find the best stability when a string exits the tuner hole turns 90 degrees towards the bridge and that's it. You need to make sure you are tightening tuner locks tight. BTW, new trem plate ("knife") and studs do not mean that it is going to be the best stability. I recently replaced mine and with the old ones I had a bit better tuning stability.

 

[fbecir]

Hello

If when you dive the bar, the strings are out of tune, too low, that means that the springs do not have enough power to pull back the strings. Try to screw a bit more the claws.
A tremolo works if your nut is well cut and lubricated and if you have the good equilibrium between the tension of your strings and the tension of the springs.
I can dive the bar with my AL or my SUB, and it stays in tune. The tremolos are full floating.

 

[mikeller]

I generally have very little tuning problems with any of my music man guitars. One thing I do with each string is make sure the strings are stretched, and put a very small drop of Tri-Flow lubricant in the nut slots, of the breaking points of the saddles (I wouldn't do that on piezo bridges) and on the two pivot posts.

If I happen to have a cranky guitar, then I will use a dab of big bends nut sauce