2-Band EQ Stingrays...

[Chris C]

Yes, the SUB had two options. The passive and active. Mine is the active version w/low and high boost. And if I do say so myself, it sounds killer! Especially for the price I gave for it (used). I'm still in awe.

If your SUB has a battery in the back, it's the 2-band active version.

If not, I believe it's volume, tone, tone (both passive cut). Right, everyone?

 

[oldbluebassman]

Earlier this year I lent John East, of J-Retro, a spare 2-band that I have. he ran it through his test rig and posted the following on the Pit.

Let me explain the whole deal, as there have been various questions about the MM preamps, and what they do as regards boost and cut on each band. Well I can tell you for sure:

* The MM treble is boost and cut.

* The actual circuit of the MM bass is boost only, but there is a twist.

* The way the circuit is configured has been done in such a way that there is bass cut when the bass is fully backed off.

* So in other words, even though the MM bass control circuit is boost only, due to the bass cut configuration through the pre, it wll have the feeling as if boosting and cutting the bass, very neat in fact!

 

[ibanez2005]

Yes, the SUB had two options. The passive and active. Mine is the active version w/low and high boost. And if I do say so myself, it sounds killer! Especially for the price I gave for it (used). I'm still in awe.

If your SUB has a battery in the back, it's the 2-band active version.

If not, I believe it's volume, tone, tone (both passive cut). Right, everyone?

That sounds about right. My SUB5 sounds amazing but i always thought that the middle control was Tone and the end pot nearest the jack was active/passive pan, it must be treble for the middle control and bass for the end one.

 

[Chris C]

That sounds about right. My SUB5 sounds amazing but i always thought that the middle control was Tone and the end pot nearest the jack was active/passive pan, it must be treble for the middle control and bass for the end one.

Yep, that's it.

 

[ibanez2005]

That suprises me a little cos turning the bass down really give the tone a woody, natural, passive sound but the highs dont pierce through like a Stingray. A very subtle EQ but a monster sound.

 

[Kirby]

Earlier this year I lent John East, of J-Retro, a spare 2-band that I have. he ran it through his test rig and posted the following on the Pit.

Thanks for the clarification! I always appreciate a factual based source.

I will need to save this thread.

 

[Chris C]

Earlier this year I lent John East, of J-Retro, a spare 2-band that I have. he ran it through his test rig and posted the following on the Pit.

Yes, I found that on a search, too. Great info. The puzzle falls together! The more I tinker with the 2-band, the more of a fan I'm becoming...

 

[plato]

I could swear that changing the mids on my SR5's affects the bass and treble as well.
This is much more noticeable in large stage setups though.
I had the same thing with my 3EQ SR4's and I only use the 2EQ on those right now.
There's nothing I can (or rather would) do on the SR5 since there's no 2EQ option there.
I believe that it was designed to behave this way... maybe the idea was to keep a consistent output while boosting/cutting on the mid.... well... I'm not sure.
I also prefer to boost/cut bass and treble on the bass preamp but when it comes to mids I use the amp eq (usually Eden WT800B) or fingers location/stiffness.
I wish I could test my SR5's with the 2EQ preamp since I do prefer it on stage but who knows... it might turn out to be a mismatch since the guys at SLO do a great and tasteful job when it comes to putting well balanced instruments together.

 

[oldbluebassman]

I could swear that changing the mids on my SR5's affects the bass and treble as well.
This is much more noticeable in large stage setups though.
I had the same thing with my 3EQ SR4's and I only use the 2EQ on those right now.

Altering the mids will have a major effect. You have to remember that the controls are all interactive and do not operate on discreet parts of the audio spectrum. The bass, mid and treble response curves overlap a good deal so it is inevitable that any change on one will change the sound outside of where you expect it to.

 

[plato]

Altering the mids will have a major effect. You have to remember that the controls are all interactive and do not operate on discreet parts of the audio spectrum. The bass, mid and treble response curves overlap a good deal so it is inevitable that any change on one will change the sound outside of where you expect it to.

I know what you mean, but this way boosting the mids should result with a boost in the overlapped section. It doesn't. Actually, it cuts the lows and highs.
I have to add that this is also noticeable without using a compressor. This is an important remark since compression creates the same effect too (naturally...).

 

[jongitarz]

That suprises me a little cos turning the bass down really give the tone a woody.

 

[ibanez2005]

Stiffer too and it really tightens up with a big bottom end
Ill have to adjust my nut and make sure my G-string doesnt break, might take someones eye out

 

[tplyons]

Okay, stupid question... is a SUB electronically identical to a 2 band Stingray? Same pre? Same pickup? I've never been sure exactly what the SUB's loaded with.

 

[Chris C]

I asked this question a few weeks ago... but no response. I don't think the pickup is because there is no switching, so no need for the third dummy coil (mine is a 5 string--it's possibly the same pickup on the four; not sure though). Not sure about the preamp either. If not, it sounds very close. I get a great tone out of mine.

 

[NoFrets80]

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I asked this question a few weeks ago... but no response. I don't think the pickup is because there is no switching, so no need for the third dummy coil (mine is a 5 string--it's possibly the same pickup on the four; not sure though). Not sure about the preamp either. If not, it sounds very close. I get a great tone out of mine.

those in the know can correct me if i'm wrong, but i've seen it stated time and again that the electronics (preamp/pickup) in the SUB 4s are identical to the 2-band stingrays... that was part of the original appeal... the stingray sound (or something insanely close) in an affordable/quality bass. i can't speak for the sterlings or SUB 5s, but i think i'm correct about the normal 4s.

 

[ibanez2005]

One for BP surely?

 

[Caca de Kick]

Chris C, if you lived closer I'd loan you my 2band Ray. I guarantee you'd love it.
I'm currenty shopping for another 2band'er.

-Mike

 

[Chris C]

Chris C, if you lived closer I'd loan you my 2band Ray. I guarantee you'd love it.
I'm currenty shopping for another 2band'er.

-Mike

I'm getting really really close to just buying one and crossing my fingers until big brown delivers it. I'm pretty sure that I will actually prefer the 2-band over the 3. If for nothing else, just for the extra bass boost available.

I was actually able to play a 78 (or 79, I don't remember which) 'Ray for awhile a couple of weeks ago. It's hanging at the local GC--someone traded it in! Crazy, huh? Whoever it was traded two of them in, but one is gone now. Anyway, I really liked it. The only problem is that it has flats (you know how much I love flats ) so I couldn't get a complete "picture" of how it would sound for me (with rounds). It's a nice bass, but a bit pricey, since it's vintage and all. So, I'll probably buy a new one from Bass Central or something. Or possibly trade one of mine, if I can bring myself to do that.