Any chance to specify top on BFR?

[Sigmunds Couch]

Siggy Im sorry about the delay but we are trying to avoid this by not offering the abiality to choose which type of figured wood you get. THis added at least 4 months to your wait

It's not a problem at all. The statement was intended to be tongue in cheek. The written word doesn't necessarily translate the inflection of the intended delivery. No apologies are needed or warranted. I am happily gazing at my new work of art now. Wonderful job sir, to you and your crew.

 

[robelinda2]

give us some kick ass pics Siggy!

 

[Sigmunds Couch]

give us some kick ass pics Siggy!

Soon, soon. Keep your pants on. We've got enough EBMM underware models on the dark side.

 

[jeffrey]

I guess I'm with SteveB, I'm not a huge fan of flame, I like quilt a lot more as a top wood; it's just more interesting.

I hate to say it but, not being ensured quilt on a guitar of this cost could be the dealbreaker for me.

 

[lpcoco]

I guess I'm with SteveB, I'm not a huge fan of flame, I like quilt a lot more as a top wood; it's just more interesting.

I hate to say it but, not being ensured quilt on a guitar of this cost could be the dealbreaker for me.

I am agree with you, Jeffrey. It is for that that I am going to wait to see them on display stand of my local dealer before purchasing. Maybe in the meantime, new colors will be offered, as the prototype of JP. In the meantime, I believe that I am going to go for a standard JP6 or JP7 there. The time to find the F1 of my dreams or to be able to order one that I wish.

 

[roburado]

Jeff, what colors did you order again?

 

[jeffrey]

Well, supposedly Walnut Burst and Black Burst.

My orders are currently hanging by a very thin thread though....

I may just have to cancel them and wait and see what dealers get for stock in a year or however long it ends up being.

I just can't in good conscience put out that sorta money and flip a fiscal coin for top wood. Just doesn't seem right to me.

It's kind of depressing really, lol.

This is the guitar I'd wished EBMM would've made all along, they finally make it and I get "you'll take what we give you".

I see where they are coming from but it still doesn't seem right to me for the amount of money being charged.

Taylor and PRS manage to source more than enough figured maple to allow customers to choose for all their guitars at no additional charge (just ordered a 614 for my boss and we had a choice of quilted or flamed and a few different grades, of course the higher grades cost more but there was no charge for choosing flamed or quilt; they even had a choice for flamed neck for an extra $100).

The wood is out there...

 

[Rossie]

So, where's the poll? Is it in another thread? If not, my vote goes to quilted tops.



Initially, I love flamed tops, maybe because of my previous Les Pauls, but after looking at the 20th Silo and the BFRs, I gotta get a quilted top no matter what! I really do not mind the long wait too.

 

[roburado]

Taylor and PRS manage to source more than enough figured maple to allow customers to choose for all their guitars at no additional charge (just ordered a 614 for my boss and we had a choice of quilted or flamed and a few different grades, of course the higher grades cost more but there was no charge for choosing flamed or quilt; they even had a choice for flamed neck for an extra $100).

The wood is out there...

I was just thinking about PRS and how they do "it."

I hope that you'll get what you want. You just might, I think. If the BFRs were ordered in the thousands, it might be easier than people fear. People might just have to buy from inventory.

 

[jeffrey]

People just might have to buy from inventory.

That's what I'm thinking will most likely happen with me at this point.

Unless BP gets me some sympathy curly maple! hahaha

 

[Big Poppa]

Jeffrey



You are now telling us where wood is and how to make the guitars and that is really unfair. Comparing us to stock Taylors is not right...have you priced the Robert Taylor models?

I will make you quilt guitars at PRS's retail price and you can specify the wood. 18k for two should be just about right.

WHo said you couldnt have the guitar you wanted? we just said that we are not in a position to custom make these. Thank god Beej remembers Dallas and the BFR explanation.

A year is another unfair shot. They could take up to one year to fill our orders on these as they are a limited part of our production. There will be models shipping in about four months.

How many frowny faces do I have to accept? I appreciate the support and understanding.

 

[jeffrey]

I don't think anyone has insinuated yet that they are custom instruments?

Top wood = custom instrument?

Whoever said you'd be better off just offering them all in one top wood was right. At least you'd know what you were getting (I don't remember who that was...).

I guess I understand both sides of the coin.

For the record, it wasn't an R. Taylor. Just a run of the mill 614. We had a choice of quilt, flame, flame neck and a $200 upcharge for his "Master Grade" for everything ($100 extra for the neck too).

I'm really not trying to stir the pot, Sterling. I appreciate everything you guys do for us and you know I love my EBMM's as much as anyone.

As others said, I will probably just have to wait until a retailer (in my case, Pete) gets some in stock then just hold out for a nice quilt in the color I like. I wanted to pre-order, but that just seems like it's going to be impossible for now I guess.

Please don't misconstrue what I'm saying, I really don't mean it how I think you took it. Such is the folly of the internet, tone of voice is rarely correctly interpreted.

 

[Big Poppa]

I don't think anyone has insinuated yet that they are custom instruments?

Top wood = custom instrument?

Whoever said you'd be better off just offering them all in one top wood was right. At least you'd know what you were getting (I don't remember who that was...).

I guess I understand both sides of the coin.

For the record, it wasn't an R. Taylor. Just a run of the mill 614. We had a choice of quilt, flame, flame neck and a $200 upcharge for his "Master Grade" for everything ($100 extra for the neck too).

I'm really not trying to stir the pot, Sterling. I appreciate everything you guys do for us and you know I love my EBMM's as much as anyone.

As others said, I will probably just have to wait until a retailer (in my case, Pete) gets some in stock then just hold out for a nice quilt in the color I like. I wanted to pre-order, but that just seems like it's going to be impossible for now I guess.

Please don't misconstrue what I'm saying, I really don't mean it how I think you took it. Such is the folly of the internet, tone of voice is rarely correctly interpreted.

Jeffrey I really take both posts in a poor light.

Now you are saying that we should only make them in one wood so you can get yours
easier. Thats not very selfish. What about someone who feels equally passionate about flame? What we are doing is makng sure that both quilt and flame lovers can get what they want. How many times do we have to tell you why we cant make them to order?

IF the wood is out there and you are a wood sourcer please tell me where to get plentiful figured maple or retract your claim of its ready availability. WE only have two full time purchaser and Dargin beating every wood bush we have ran into in our 22 years of making USA instruments. You know better and Im dying to get new sources.

Once again comparing BRF's to normal Taylors is naive at best.

 

[jeffrey]

Jeffrey I really take both posts in a poor light.

Argh. Sigh.

Now you are saying that we should only make them in one wood so you can get yours
easier. Thats not very selfish.

Actually, no I'm not. I did not say "Make them only in Quilt." I just said the idea of doing them only in one wood (whatever that wood is) would at least let the buyer know what to expect instead of wondering what they'd get or waiting for their dealer to get one to play the credit card race with whomever else is waiting for one.

One wood = everyone knows what they're getting.

I did not specify which. If they're all flame, fine. At least everyone would know they're getting flame.

That was my point, sorry it was misunderstood.

IF the wood is out there and you are a wood sourcer please tell me where to get plentiful figured maple or retract your claim of its ready availability. WE only have two full time purchaser and Dargin beating every wood bush we have ran into in our 22 years of making USA instruments. You know better and Im dying to get new sources.

Once again comparing BRF's to normal Taylors is naive at best.

Of course I'm not a wood sourcer and you know that.

Other companies have to be getting it from somewhere though, right? All I know is we called the dealer we use a lot (Guitar Trader in San Diego), order a 614, quilt, blackburst, flamed neck, upgraded the wood and it showed up ~3 months later for about $2600 (no electronics).

Maybe Bob Taylor bought it all?

Seriously, I do not mean to argue with you or "call you out" Sterling. It wasn't my intention and I'm sorry both of my posts were taken to heart so poorly.

 

[Big Poppa]

OK Jeffrey
how about if you manage to get two quilt BFR F-1's by working with a stocking dealer or series of stocking dealers within 6-67 months would you post just how happy you are and apologize for the bs and frowny faces?

Have you noticed that STedveb did two polls and a big suprise is that most prefer the way we are doing it and are content to work with a stockng dealer.

 

[jeffrey]

Some are offering nice pre-order incentives...

Shoot a guy for trying to save a buck!

I'd already intended on just waiting to see what Pete got at this point.

What if I get a few really nice pieces of curly maple on my own and send'em your way? Can I get guitars made with those for tops? hahah

Don't hit me okay.

 

[Big Poppa]

arm wrestle maybe not hit you or funky wah competitions

 

[jeffrey]

I'm wicked good at arm wrestling, watch out!

 

[Dizzy]

Jeffrey I really take both posts in a poor light.

Now you are saying that we should only make them in one wood so you can get yours
easier.

BP, I don't think that's what he meant.
I've been reading this passively, and can see both sides of the argument, but it appears you may be reacting a little defensively to some of Jeffrey's comments.
Equally, the use of "frowny faces" in his posts does taint any perceived tone of voice he is referring to.

What Jeffrey has indicated is that if the BFR's / F-1's were available in one type only, then a lot more people would be comfortable pre-ordering.
This is a big investment for many players, and you'd want to know what you're getting.

For example, you choose QUILTS only.
* Those who love Quilts only would place orders comfortably.
* Those who just want the superb instrument (and top is not an issue) would place orders comfortably.
* Only those passionately AGAINST Quilts would NOT order.

I believe this to be a fair point of view.

On the other hand, the option of providing both options gives EVERYONE the benefit of choice, but perhaps to the detriment of time, and pre-ordering.

The BEST thing about this whole process is that we get the opportunity to talk with you e-personally about the whole deal, and present our views.
For you to take the time to chat with us knucklehead plebs is awesome...

For that, BP.......... a big THANKS.

Jeffrey, If I'm wrong about what you meant......... just tell me to crawl back into my hole Down Under........

 

[beej]

Guys guys guys! We've been damn lucky to watch the development of these guitars from day 1 and hear about BFR from the start.

But we've forgotten that the goal of these instruments was for the factory to make works of art as it sees fit ... to offer us the fruits of MMs creativity. They weren't meant to be "forever" production models.

I think Sterling and co have been clear about this from the start. I'm glad as hell that they're going to be making so many of them - period - and I think expressing disappointment at this stage is pretty disrespectful.

These are going to be KILLER instruments, made the way MM wants to make them. I guarantee we'll all be fighting to get what stock stores can barely hold on to!