phatduckk
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seriously... buy something that costs more than $40 and youre set
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maddog
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Thanks for the in-depth explanation, Tim.
the now shutting my hole,
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the now shutting my hole,
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SquidLizard
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Thanks for that, Ben. Nice to know we can count on your gentlemanliness to come through in the clutch!
tadawson
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SteveB
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I've never heard a live act play and said to myself, "gee, their cables sound like sh*t tonight!"
But I like Tim's explanation, too.
But I like Tim's explanation, too.
Had skin effect before. Doctor cleared it up in 2 days.
Bargain basement cables = bargain basement quality = bargain basement sound.
MrMusashi
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cheap cables start to "sparkle" much faster.. hehe.. even if it isnt your playing that is shining. just try grabbin the cheapo cable and slam it into the floor.. then hear you amp make funny noises
expensive cable=more copper+greater consistency in manufacturing process+better plugs and then the most important part: more money for the retailer.
harsh? yes.. true? yes
if you find there is a difference, fine.. if not you got yourself a cable that withstand more abuse
just ask albert collins (or perhaps not.. but i guess his guitar techie could still answer it) why he had a 100feet cable..
my bet is it was to reach all his audience (and perhaps soften that telecaster twang)
MrM
expensive cable=more copper+greater consistency in manufacturing process+better plugs and then the most important part: more money for the retailer.
harsh? yes.. true? yes
if you find there is a difference, fine.. if not you got yourself a cable that withstand more abuse
just ask albert collins (or perhaps not.. but i guess his guitar techie could still answer it) why he had a 100feet cable..
my bet is it was to reach all his audience (and perhaps soften that telecaster twang
)MrM
Psycho Ward
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I'm thinking about just going WiFi.
Strangeglow
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I think I'm going to stay out of this one.
MrMusashi
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i wouldnt touch wireless unless i absolutely had to...
1. compander circuitry.. will not ever make your once so dynamic bass sound real..
2. impedance matching throughout the system. some systems might have impedance matching from your bass into the system, but it still will have lo impedance output which wont be near what your bass behaves like
3. due to limits in transmission technology there will always be limited frequency response.. if you got a 5 stringer, be sure to use cable whenever you can.. cutoff frequency is usually around 40-50hz depending on manufacturer...
if you have to go wireless, check the x2 system.. no compander at least
ps: i wish they would make em for the scandinavian market one of these days..
800-820mhz (ya hear x2?)
MrM
1. compander circuitry.. will not ever make your once so dynamic bass sound real..
2. impedance matching throughout the system. some systems might have impedance matching from your bass into the system, but it still will have lo impedance output which wont be near what your bass behaves like
3. due to limits in transmission technology there will always be limited frequency response.. if you got a 5 stringer, be sure to use cable whenever you can.. cutoff frequency is usually around 40-50hz depending on manufacturer...
if you have to go wireless, check the x2 system.. no compander at least
ps: i wish they would make em for the scandinavian market one of these days..
800-820mhz (ya hear x2?
)MrM
AnthonyD
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I went wireless...
Won't ever go back!
Won't ever go back!
tadawson
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Depends what you get. I use a Lectrosonics Hybrid Digital system, and it
a) Has no compander. Non issue.
b) Has an active preamp in the jack that plugs into the instrument. Perfect match,
and zero cable loading.
c) Frequency response, IIRC, 32 to 20K plus or minus ONE db . . .
They sell this same system as a wireless link for analyzers . . . the response is so good, even the RTA's and Smaart's of the world can tell the difference . . .
I looked at the X2 . . . looks kinda cheap and cheezy by comparison . . .
- Tim
a) Has no compander. Non issue.
b) Has an active preamp in the jack that plugs into the instrument. Perfect match,
and zero cable loading.
c) Frequency response, IIRC, 32 to 20K plus or minus ONE db . . .
They sell this same system as a wireless link for analyzers . . . the response is so good, even the RTA's and Smaart's of the world can tell the difference . . .
I looked at the X2 . . . looks kinda cheap and cheezy by comparison . . .
- Tim
i wouldnt touch wireless unless i absolutely had to...
1. compander circuitry.. will not ever make your once so dynamic bass sound real..
2. impedance matching throughout the system. some systems might have impedance matching from your bass into the system, but it still will have lo impedance output which wont be near what your bass behaves like
3. due to limits in transmission technology there will always be limited frequency response.. if you got a 5 stringer, be sure to use cable whenever you can.. cutoff frequency is usually around 40-50hz depending on manufacturer...
if you have to go wireless, check the x2 system.. no compander at least
ps: i wish they would make em for the scandinavian market one of these days..
800-820mhz (ya hear x2?
MrM
MrMusashi
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interesting indeed tadawson
/me off to google a bit more!
MrM
/me off to google a bit more!
MrM
scottbass71
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Thanks Tim for your explanation (Tried to get on the net on the weekend just couldn't find the time) I think I have the same book
Maddog I hope you didn't take it as a witch hunt if so I apoligise
hopefully all is good
Maddog I hope you didn't take it as a witch hunt if so I apoligise
hopefully all is good
tadawson
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interesting indeed tadawson
/me off to google a bit more!
MrM
Check 'em out . . .Lectrosonics has been pretty much the top of the line standard in broadcase and other commercial wireless, and has just entered the touring and pro sound markets in the last two years or so. Build like a tank - not a single plastic part beyond knobs on either the TX or RX . . . synth on 256 freqs per block, and available on about 8 blocks (international too . . ). Has a build in scanner to look for free frequencies if need be . . . Not the cheapest, but quality rarely is . . . .
Lectrosonics, Inc | Professional Audio Systems for Film, Video, Music, Courtrooms, Churches and Convention Centers, and the system is the IS400 . . .
- Tim
MrMusashi
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hmm.. highest range is still below what is legal here in scandinavia.. guess we are kinda weird only allowing 800-820mhz and one small band in the 862-863mhz area..
i have asked our main distributor to look into it though.. looks too good to be true :lol:
i esp like the ability to change modulation method thus getting less interference between the receivers. god knows more than 16 channels in a 20mhz block can be a pita
MrM
i have asked our main distributor to look into it though.. looks too good to be true :lol:
i esp like the ability to change modulation method thus getting less interference between the receivers. god knows more than 16 channels in a 20mhz block can be a pita
MrM
maddog
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no insult/injury taken. I work with too many engineers that take their CRC handbooks as the gospel. I like to see things boiled back down to basic principles.
as I stated, theoretically, it affects the audio range. As Ted demonstrated via the physics, the end effect is negligible.
To highlight my mentality, a little joke:
An engineer and a mathematician are brought into a room. In the center of the room is a beautiful woman. The engineer and the mathematician are told that they may only approach the woman by half their current distance. The mathematician yells in disgust, "Forget it, I'll never get her." The engineer, with a big grin on his face, says, "Shoot, gets me close enough."
as I stated, theoretically, it affects the audio range. As Ted demonstrated via the physics, the end effect is negligible.
To highlight my mentality, a little joke:
An engineer and a mathematician are brought into a room. In the center of the room is a beautiful woman. The engineer and the mathematician are told that they may only approach the woman by half their current distance. The mathematician yells in disgust, "Forget it, I'll never get her." The engineer, with a big grin on his face, says, "Shoot, gets me close enough."
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