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NOharm meant either

My answer remains....Why is there a line or question as long as nothing is being replaced?

There is no overboard. There is not for you though....Why adding possibilites must there be lines or questions or categories?

Look at how many people had nipple clamps on over the bfr petrucci? Near violent responces and judgement....Look at not being able to specify quilt or flame....wow All I said then was the original isnt going away so you can like what you always liked........ so why dont you wait to see it play it feel it before you get upset. Many of those same people are gushing about thier BFR and we are geniuses now
 
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Why? if I didnt eliminate what you like? The public is programmed to transfer their preferences onto others. I think that personal preferences are great so long as it doesnt limit others freedom of choice
 

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Everyone has their own line. Most people's lines are different, so from a creative/manufacturing standpoint I can see why there can't be a line.
 

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Everyone has their own line. Most people's lines are different, so from a creative/manufacturing standpoint I can see why there can't be a line.

IMHO there should be a line where brand identity is at risk. I got the impression that EB & BP understood very well how much they may move away from the original StingRay in oder to keep consistent with the brand identity. The decision to introduce new models, instead of modifying the well known ones was the best move. Also, even to keep small details the same, such as the original pickup cover on the single H StingRays, while introducing innovation in other parts like the pickup poles and the compensated nut is very player oriented (and therefore market oriented I guess).

Rather than adding an "exotic wood" option to the StingRay, it probably should be a new model, which sports some other diffentiations. Like the BFRs. Mind you, I do like fine looking wood tops, it's just not what I associate with a classic StingRay... and I think many players do not, hence the overwhelming number of black, natural and sunburst finishes you see on stages all over the world. The 30th was probably as exotic as it should get regarding widespread acceptance.

The Sterling is a different story, as is the Bongo...

However, who am I to judge all that... I just try to play them not too badly...
 

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Why? if I didnt eliminate what you like?

I don't imagine there will be any single cutaway "sperm whale" stingrays in the near future for this simple reason...

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...but I agree with BP all the same.

I can't imagine the Stingray is at any risk of losing its brand identity, no matter what EBMM choose to do in terms of special models.
 

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Well, sure, 'cause it was clearly a Stingray.

On the other hand, if EBMM were to go and make something like one of these:

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or these....

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it just might dilute the brand image.









A tiny bit.

A direction worth considering, though. *cough* :D

Hey, why not? The Bongo was nearly as radical a departure.

Seriously, the 20th SR was a great example of how EBMM can pull off a really nice variation on its existing models without losing their identity.
 

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Forgive me if I'm missing the point again, BP...but I think that, given EBMM's track record, I would rather not start drawing lines for them or putting them in any kind of box. Would there be a Bongo otherwise?
 

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Yes I remember them. Point taken. As I said, you master your stuff and know very well how far you can go without chopping off the roots.

(However, the 20th was not my cup of tea -- it looks amazing, yet it's just not a bass I would take on stage)

BTW, talking of subtle StingRay modifications, what about making the recessed five bolt neckplate a standard?
 

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It causes too many warranty issues with the owners cranking down on the neck screws.

Thanks Brian...That is the point. A key ingredient in the creative process is having to deal
with the boundaries that others are so quick to put on you. Sometimes I think it motiviates radical change. Change is the operative word.....just look how messed up and tweaked out people get when we post protos....
 

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Forgive me if I'm missing the point again, BP...but I think that, given EBMM's track record, I would rather not start drawing lines for them or putting them in any kind of box. Would there be a Bongo otherwise?

Agreed 100%

I sense that the fact that my tongue is planted firmly in my cheek here is not getting across.

I'm JOKING.
 

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Agreed 100%

I sense that the fact that my tongue is planted firmly in my cheek here is not getting across.

I'm JOKING.

I figured that, but it felt like the point was getting lost. I understand your point too though. As fans, we want to completely understand the thing that we are so passionate about so we try to devise our own formulas in order to try and nail it down without realizing that part of what sparks our passion is that we can't completely understand it.

Why are there no maple neck Bongos?
Why is there not a no-pickguard option?
Why are Power Slinky 5s the same gauge as Regular Slinky 4s?

These are all questions that I can live without answers to because so many of my other "expectations" have been far exceeded and I continue to be amazed by the folks at EBMM.
 

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anybody remember the 20th SR? there was zero brand identity issues..

It was still 100% Stingray. From the looks to the sound. Yes, it was different, but it wasnt so drastically different (IMHO) that people would say "that is not a stingray" For the EBMM brand image, it is an amazing bass made of very cool changes that make the bass unique but also make it known that its all EBMM. Amazing looking instrument :cool:
 
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