OT: Systematic Chaos Guitar tab

[koogie2k]

Sorry for the late reply - glad you guys are enjoying the book! We're actually just finishing a full score book for the album now too (all instruments) and our book for JP's Suspended Animation CD should finally come out soon too.

I'd be happy to answer any questions about the book or transcribing etc btw if you guys have any...

Ryan

An Evening With.... I can't find that one. Is there a tab book on this?

 

[73h Nils]

^ You mean "An Evening With JP & JR"? There isn't one. Nor are there really any tabs from that album other than State of Grace which was on LTE.

 

[Tabs]

The most important question is:
how/where people from Europe can buy this book

The European Amazon.com affiliates maybe? Let me know if they don't have it and I'll ask Alfred directly for you.

An Evening With.... I can't find that one. Is there a tab book on this?

Haven't done that yet. We could ask JP and JR about it tho if they think there's a market for it.

Ryan

 

[RobertS]

The European Amazon.com affiliates maybe? Let me know if they don't have it and I'll ask Alfred directly for you.

Unfortunately still not available at amazon.de.
The same for Petrucci's Suspended Animation book
There is even no info on WebSite - Alfred Verlag Deutschland.

 

[CudBucket]

I don't cop riffs off CDs anymore as I'm usually frustrating myself just to create my own original stuff. Plus, I've stayed away from DT books because I've heard they're usually not good (accurate).

But I am always interested in learning about progressions and key changes so I'm interested in SC. What DT books are recommended? Which ones are accurate?

Thanks.

Dave

 

[CudBucket]

I don't cop riffs off CDs anymore as I'm usually frustrating myself just to create my own original stuff. Plus, I've stayed away from DT books because I've heard they're usually not good (accurate).

But I am always interested in learning about progressions and key changes so I'm interested in SC. What DT books are recommended? Which ones are accurate?

Thanks.

Dave

 

[73h Nils]

I'd say, SC, 8VM, SFAM and Awake. The rest are pretty riddled with mistakes, especially ToT.

They tabbed Honor Thy Father's main riff like an octave up! What the hell!

 

[Tabs]

The SFAM and Awake books are better than IaW or ToT for the most part, but there's plenty of mistakes in them... we hope to get the opportunity to retranscribe all the older stuff at some point.

Yeah that HTF riff thing was pretty wtf... Check out SoC's main riff too - totally wrong, he heard the keyboard and put those notes in the guitar part too. AIA's solo is missing the tapping, notes are a 1/2 step too low at the start of Endless Sacrifice's instrumental section etc...

Ryan

 

[73h Nils]

Yeah, all that stuff is noticeable by just listening to the album or watching Live at Budokan. I still can't get over HOW they let that book print.

For the Endless Sacrifice thing, you mean the 3-1-0-0-0- part? where it should be 3-2-0-0-0? Or is that wrong, too?

 

[Tabs]

Yeah, all that stuff is noticeable by just listening to the album or watching Live at Budokan. I still can't get over HOW they let that book print.

For the Endless Sacrifice thing, you mean the 3-1-0-0-0- part? where it should be 3-2-0-0-0? Or is that wrong, too?

Yep - and the inverted Eb5 chord is 668xxx not x11xxx like he has... makes absolutely no sense to play the 6 5 0 and then jump way back down to 1. You can see it pretty clearly on the Budokan DVD I think...

 

[puppyonacid]

Thats one thing that gets me about tab books. It's the position shifting and when you're looking at a chord shape and thinknig "I know he just wouldn't play it like that!". If you work it out yourself, you're going to find the easiest possible way to play it right? Having said that tho, I do have a few books. I'm gonna check out SC when it comes to the store Im teaching at.

Do you guys use slow down software? And what the hell did you do before? What software do you use? Also, I've always bee npretty good pitch wise, and I'm getting ever close to attaining perfect pitch. What really gets me is transcribing rhythm. See, if you get a chord wrong you know it by the pitch obviously. But when it comes to complex rhythm, how do I figure when I've transcribed it wrong?

 

[73h Nils]

Yep - and the inverted Eb5 chord is 668xxx not x11xxx like he has... makes absolutely no sense to play the 6 5 0 and then jump way back down to 1. You can see it pretty clearly on the Budokan DVD I think...

Yeah, thought so. Thanks!

 

[Tabs]

Thats one thing that gets me about tab books. It's the position shifting and when you're looking at a chord shape and thinknig "I know he just wouldn't play it like that!". If you work it out yourself, you're going to find the easiest possible way to play it right? Having said that tho, I do have a few books. I'm gonna check out SC when it comes to the store Im teaching at.

Do you guys use slow down software? And what the hell did you do before? What software do you use? Also, I've always bee npretty good pitch wise, and I'm getting ever close to attaining perfect pitch. What really gets me is transcribing rhythm. See, if you get a chord wrong you know it by the pitch obviously. But when it comes to complex rhythm, how do I figure when I've transcribed it wrong?

Amazing Slow Downer - !Slow down and transcribe with Roni Music software - slow down the speed of music without changing the pitch (I have no idea why the forum software insists on putting the page title text there - I didn't do that...)

Rhythm is just a thing you have to get a feel for I guess. Jordan is the king with that as far as the really insane stuff - any time you see one of those "27 notes in the space of 13" type things, that's him hehe. He's definitely right with it tho, we've matched that stuff up to the recording using midi playback before.

Basically my personal method with really fast stuff like that where he's just cramming a million notes in each measure is to write all the notes out using a single value (like 32nds) and then go back and just listen beat by beat with it slowed down to see what fits within each beat. You can usually get pretty close that way and then looking at that you can determine if one of those irrational tuplet things will work for the whole measure etc... For simpler rhythms though, like during a riff or something, we can usually hear what it is right away without having to do a bunch of meticulous counting etc.

 

[puppyonacid]

Cool thanks. I have the Amazing Slow Downer. It's helped my playing so much over the last 18 months.

 

[CudBucket]

So then SC and 8vm are the best right now? Also, isn't the slow downer like $50? If you have a Creative Labs soundcard on your PC, you likely have they're media player which has the ability to slow down anything you play through it by 50%.


EDIT: I just checked out the ASD software and it looks pretty cool. Now the $50 doesn't seem so bad.

 

[budalash]

Now I know I am not tone deaf. I have 2 books, IAW and SFAM...
I noticed many mistakes in the IAW one, I still haven't had the chance to read the SFAM, but I think it says that Petrucci contributed to it too, so there shouldn't be many mistakes...

 

[Grzkla]

(...) (I have no idea why the forum software insists on putting the page title text there - I didn't do that...)

It's normal if you have option "Automatically retrieve titles from external links" is switched on during writing post.

Cool thanks. I have the Amazing Slow Downer. It's helped my playing so much over the last 18 months.

Just my 2 cent: "Transcribe!" software has great capabilities, too. It's very helpful when you need transcribe or only learn something.

 

[Tabs]

I've tried all the slowdown programs that are out there and I find Roni Music's algorithms to be the best as far as sound quality. Transcribe! is interesting with the actual note analysis of the waveform, but I don't think their algorithm sounds as good.

I think ASD's worth the $50 because it has so many other features besides just the slow down capability. It can pitch shift (which is great if you're doing bass - moving it up an octave really helps for stuff like JM's low notes on the B string etc), and its "Karaoke" center channel function is second to none because it can do it in stereo, letting you hear what's going on on both sides of the periphery. No other program has this to my knowledge, and it's really a godsend when you're trying to hear things that are buried in the mix.

Ryan

 

[chrisallen]

Now I know I am not tone deaf. I have 2 books, IAW and SFAM...
I noticed many mistakes in the IAW one, I still haven't had the chance to read the SFAM, but I think it says that Petrucci contributed to it too, so there shouldn't be many mistakes...

"contributed" could mean he gave them the UAG solo section and that's it... maybe even less!

 

[Grzkla]

(...) Transcribe! is interesting with the actual note analysis of the waveform, but I don't think their algorithm sounds as good.

Transcribe's waveform/spectrum analysis has nice feature which help you identify harmonics, too.

I think ASD's worth the $50 because it has so many other features besides just the slow down capability. It can pitch shift (which is great if you're doing bass - moving it up an octave really helps for stuff like JM's low notes on the B string etc), and its "Karaoke" center channel function is second to none because it can do it in stereo, letting you hear what's going on on both sides of the periphery. No other program has this to my knowledge, and it's really a godsend when you're trying to hear things that are buried in the mix.

There are exactly the same functions in the Transcribe:

• "Mono/Karaoke" - you deicide how much of each of the original 2 channels should appear in mix, so sometimes some parts of the recording cancel out. Sometimes is extremely useful tool for picking out individual instruments.
• "Tuning" (pitch shift) - helpful for, as you mentioned, e.g. bass part analysis

It has nice 31 band graphic EQ, too, not bad to removing some parts you don't need to hear, e.g. crash or china