Gibson sues Guitar Hero

[TonyEVH5150]

gh grows real guitarists. long live it.

+1.

I can't tell you the number of kids I've met at video game stores that picked up GH, then weeks or months later, picked up a real guitar. It may not be six strings, chords, and solos. But it does teach you things like rhythm, fret hand/pick hand coordination. Not to mention the song exposure. There is a good mix of genres, decades, musical styles in the game. And I'm sure there's been countless kids out there that played GH, then wanted to learn those same songs on a real guitar.

I had a toy guitar as a kid, and I think it was part of the reason that I learned guitar later in life. I'd imagine that if a game like GH had come out when I was a kid, I probably would have wanted to learn guitar based solely on my experience with the game.

Just because several of us came to the guitar through other means or methods doesn't make this game wrong for turning people on to the idea of playing an instrument.

 

[petruccirocks02]

+1.

I can't tell you the number of kids I've met at video game stores that picked up GH, then weeks or months later, picked up a real guitar. It may not be six strings, chords, and solos. But it does teach you things like rhythm, fret hand/pick hand coordination. Not to mention the song exposure. There is a good mix of genres, decades, musical styles in the game. And I'm sure there's been countless kids out there that played GH, then wanted to learn those same songs on a real guitar.

I had a toy guitar as a kid, and I think it was part of the reason that I learned guitar later in life. I'd imagine that if a game like GH had come out when I was a kid, I probably would have wanted to learn guitar based solely on my experience with the game.

Just because several of us came to the guitar through other means or methods doesn't make this game wrong for turning people on to the idea of playing an instrument.

I couldn't agree with this comment more. Thumbs up.

-Phil

 

[philiprst]

OK Philip first off this isnt a gibson bashing thread. I am going to start standing up for peoples ability to express themselves as long as they dont bash it into the ground. I would say it is more of an activision hijack with some Gibson sprinkled in

It is ok to say you dont like so and so guitar....I dont like when they are schoolyard comments like "they suck"...but it is funny that we now have armchair mods that feel that it is innappropriate for others to express their opinion.

Gibson has a litigous history. Gibson at times has made gujitars in my opinion that didnt live up to their price. Gibson is a brilliant company that is really marketing and branding off the charts.


I know too much on this subject and really have to stay on the sidelines due to conflict....We are in gh4 and 5.....

Radrock The bowling industry is making us look like idiots.....Instead of bitching and moaning and elitist comments regarding wii bowling they went after the wii crowd and bowling is on a HUGE upswing........Why people cannot see the benefits is why we are sucessful...,They see worthlessness and I see opportunity

Thanks BP. Thats fair comment. It wasn't my intention to come off as an armchair mod; having been on the receiving end of that I am all for people expressing their opinions freely. Reading back I can see it might have come across that way, but it was actual a genuine expression of what I felt about some of the comments.

I'm an old guy (and should know better). There was indeed a period in the late 70s and early 80s when the quality of Gibson and Fender left a lot to be desired. Things are different now an I am glad to have the choice of a lot of great guitars Personally I choose to play EBMM guitars, not because other guitars "suck" but becaue EBMM consisently produces an innovative, high quality guitar at a great price. I think we should celebrate the fact that people choose EBMM in a highly competitive market.

 

[Big Poppa]

bingo You know from being here that I respect and appreciate MOST of my fellow builders.

 

[Astrofreq]

Radrock The bowling industry is making us look like idiots.....Instead of bitching and moaning and elitist comments regarding wii bowling they went after the wii crowd and bowling is on a HUGE upswing........Why people cannot see the benefits is why we are sucessful...,They see worthlessness and I see opportunity

BP, that's interesting for sure. What sort of opportunities do you see coming from GH? Maybe you should create an EB guitar controller for GH that has actual strings near the tremolo instead of that lever thing to spark more interest in playing real guitar. Maybe you should include stickers will all your guitars.

Maybe gh does grow real guitarists. Time will tell. GH is new enough that maybe 10 years from now there will be a zillion guitar players out there. Would you say karaoke grows real singers?

 

[Big Poppa]

Yes I do think karaoke has developed singers.....with emerging technologies and social habits you must at least give the benefit of the doubt when something new and even quasi related comes alond.

From guitar hero has come guitar rising a new way of learning how to play guitar...there is alos a techie that has made a way to modify your controller and play gh with a real guitar..it is a real diy but it is coming. It would come a lot faster if more of the people in our industry didnt see it as a threat.

How on gods green earth can Apple be the number 2 music retailer on the planet? The record c ompanies fought the consumer and their emerging desire to aquire and distribute media...they fought for government support, litigation and prosecutin customers and meanwhile out of nowhere Steve Jobs picks all of their pockets.

 

[Astrofreq]

The record c ompanies fought the consumer and their emerging desire to aquire and distribute media...they fought for government support, litigation and prosecutin customers and meanwhile out of nowhere Steve Jobs picks all of their pockets.

That is no joke, if there ever was a 'no joke' statement ever. Granted, I think they should give Shawn Fanning a kickback for every .99 cent song sold, but not likely.

 

[lumberjack]

How on gods green earth can Apple be the number 2 music retailer on the planet? The record c ompanies fought the consumer and their emerging desire to aquire and distribute media...they fought for government support, litigation and prosecutin customers and meanwhile out of nowhere Steve Jobs picks all of their pockets.

I agree 100%. I'm still mainly a cd buyer, which are then ripped to MP3.

As far as I'm concerned, itunes is a bit of a ripoff. First, you really don't own the song, you really just lease it, cause it has to be played in itunes and on your ipod. Unless you have software that will convert to MP3. Second, the bit rate is too low. They claim 128kbps is cd quality but I disagree. These online music places should be offering songs as 1. MP3 and 2. A minimum of 192kbps.

I have noticed that Itunes is starting to offer songs at 256kbps, which is very good. Maybe they are starting to see the light.

For artists that I only want a few songs from, I find myself buying the Best Of cd's, ripping the cd and the bitrate I want then selling the cd to one of the used cd places. I find it's cheaper than spending a dollar per song.

 

[slukather]

"Guitar Hero: the ones that matter" featuring music from deep purple, dixie dregs, dream theater, toto...

mwahahahahaha, sorry, wagagaghahaha!!!

They could put those songs on Guitar Hero, but l'd much go play them on a real guitar (an EBMM guitar at that).

Scott.

 

[philiprst]

Virtually all the technology exists to make a regular guitar into a controller for video games. If you have a hex pickup and midi converter then you have all the information you need to feed into the console if it could recognize it. You probably only need a small piece of electronics to convert a midi signal into a "position" setting on a joystick.

 

[slukather]

I can see where it would be great to have a game like guitar hero with a real guitar, but really how well would it sell, no children or regular guitar hero would buy it, it'll be too hard and they'll have to learn how to play for real, no guitarist would buy it, they'll see it as "selling out" or whatever you wanna call it, so l think it'll stay as it is, l have play guitar hero, it's quite fun to play after a few beers with your friends, but much prefer the real thing.

Scott.

 

[mesavox]

Yes I do think karaoke has developed singers.....with emerging technologies and social habits you must at least give the benefit of the doubt when something new and even quasi related comes alond.

From guitar hero has come guitar rising a new way of learning how to play guitar...there is alos a techie that has made a way to modify your controller and play gh with a real guitar..it is a real diy but it is coming. It would come a lot faster if more of the people in our industry didnt see it as a threat.

How on gods green earth can Apple be the number 2 music retailer on the planet? The record c ompanies fought the consumer and their emerging desire to aquire and distribute media...they fought for government support, litigation and prosecutin customers and meanwhile out of nowhere Steve Jobs picks all of their pockets.

Starting with earlier comments, then the quotes above....

GH may or may not grow real guitarists, but whether it does or not, it absolutely functions on a real musical level. Reading music is much like seeing the coming dots. Patterns and spatial relationship, in real time... that little plastic controller is a real instrument in every sense when you consider that a predetermined sound responds to a predetermined button that you press based on a symbol representing that note.

Sure, it's overlapping, but how is it really any different than if I said I invented a new instrument for computer technology and had buttons equal two or three notes, and even said that a note might be three notes depending on what note approaches it? Trumpets have notes that share valves.

In that, I'm convinced that GH has all the things that make playing music so beneficial to people. Left and right brain working, the ear hearing things are right or wrong and the intervalic relationships being thought of a little more specifically....

As for Apple... I don't like some of the aspects of it.. like mp3 being less quality than even a cd, much less moving forward into what technology is truly capable of. I don't like that I pay the same for an mp3 album as I would the cd, and don't have anything in my hands... I used to look at LPs with awe when I was younger, and there is still nothing on this earth like A Night At The Opera on vinyl through a really good stereo system! The latest DTS package of it is pretty close... much better than the cd, but the lp is still so much more dynamic and exciting.

But, I love that Steve has shown that there is a future that everyone can be not so afraid of when it comes to making money as a musician in a digital world. Who knows, maybe this new franchising idea that is going about with the free downloads will improve a musician's chance to make a living as a musician in terms of the risk of not selling a single copy because of poor promotion. If the mega billion selling albums take up the slack for the oopses, musicians can keep going and do that tour that in the past would have been dropped by the label because of poor sales, and then exposure of that new tour will help those sales where it couldn't before.

Maybe not, but with these changes and fears, there are possibilities for strong improvement. It's a potentially exciting time to be a musician. I know I'm not as scared as some musicians I talk to.

 

[Big Poppa]

the point is that people really arent nearly as concerned with quality....they want easy delivery

 

[GoKart_MoZart]

the point is that people really arent nearly as concerned with quality....they want easy delivery

Yeah man. As a kid I grew up listening to the Beatles et. al. on the radio from the back seat of the family car with the windows down (no air conditioning), easiest delivery you could have at the time. The quality was there, but it was in the music itself, not in the audio.

 

[Sub1 Zero]

I've played trumpet for eleven years, and it only has three buttons.

 

[MikeVt]

the point is that people really arent nearly as concerned with quality....they want easy delivery

...which is why all the fancy audio formats died - DVD-Audio, SA-CD, etc. I suspect HD radio will go the same way. Even satellite radio stinks from a quality/bandwidth perspective. While there are some that care about quality, there aren't enough of us to support the industry. The vast music buying public just wants to hear 'something' and they want to get it quickly and easily....oh...and they also want more BASS.

Mike

 

[Big Poppa]

it isnt limited to audio.....

 

[GHWelles]

... Even satellite radio stinks from a quality/bandwidth perspective.
Mike

I refuse to get XM for that reason. Oh and the subscription fees are way too high.

 

[Big Poppa]

and you are thrifty!

 

[GHWelles]

yep!