Butch Snyder
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I found this pic on DiMarzio's site. Is the trem a Kahler? Is this guitar one of the original 50?
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beej
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Wow, that is an odd duck.
Butch Snyder
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Psst.... Tommy??
KennyB
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I actually have that issue. Looking at the front cover, it appears to be a Kahler. The picture inside the issue (pg 84) shows the whole guitar. The lock isn't on the nut but on the headstock just passed the nut and looks like a finger flip lock as opposed to an allen wrench type. He talks about the guitar but I can't find any reference to the vibrato bar. Good article by the way.
Butch Snyder
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Locking nut behind the nut? That's the way Kahler did it. Kenny, you'd be a hero if you scanned that article and posted it...
ShaneV
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Because Floyd owned the patent on an actual locking nut and wouldn't share in those days.
Kind of sucked for Kahler I bet, since the nut is a huge problem area and effectively eliminating it from the equation is a big part of the floyd's effectiveness.
In any case, Kahlers are one of those things like spandex jump suits and day-glo that belong in distant memories of the eighties, and no where else
KennyB
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Ok Butch. I'm on it. Just going to need some time to figure out this scanner.
fbecir
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KennyB
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Ok. I’ve got the Steve Morse interview from Guitar Player Oct/89 issue scanned (crudely) into 9 separate jpeg files each around 300kb. Now the problem is I have no idea how to post it (100kb limit?) and legally, is it cool to do so. I’m not sure what type of copyright laws might apply.
tommyindelaware
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this period was before i really knew steve personally.
obviously.......the early stages of the whammy morse model.
as the process progressed......improvements were made.....until the finished model we know today came about.
obviously.......the early stages of the whammy morse model.
as the process progressed......improvements were made.....until the finished model we know today came about.
beej
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Kenny- PM me. I can host them for you.
PugNinjas
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Look at the size of that tremolo !!!!!!I played a few Kahlers in my day and I never really became acclimated to the feel of them. I did know plenty of cats who loved, and still do swear by them.
It could have been worse though, imagine if it was a Washburn Wonderbar.
Butch Snyder
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It could have been worse though, imagine if it was a Washburn Wonderbar.
D'oh!!! Man, don't even say things like that!!
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BTW, back in 1986, I was having a guitar built for me. I was going to use a Kahler trem. It wasn't the model you see on Steve's guitar though. It was the model made for a Les Paul-type guitar. It had two posts that fit where the tail-piece went. I chose that because I thought two big bolts going through the wood and connected to the trem would provide better tone and sustain than the four little screws used on the other Kahler model.
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John C
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Okay, I finally downloaded Butch's photo and increased the size. It gets pretty blurry, but this definitely is not a Kahler cam operated bridge. It is actually a Kahler "Model 2710" double-locking fulcrum bridge from when they first decided to license the Floyd Rose patents but still used their own designs. Eventually Kahler just made a true Floyd Rose license bridge, but this would predate that by a year or two. This bridge is from the same "series" as the better-known Kahler Spyder bridge. Here is a small photo of the 2710 from Kahler's website:
And here is the link to the Kahler page:
Kahler International, Kahler USA, Kahler parts
It looks like Steve had a Kahler flat-mount cam opertated bridge on the guitar and replaced it with this 2710 fulcrum-type bridge. There appears to be a piece of black pickguard plastic in the shape of a flat-mount Kahler covering the cam routing; the 2710 bridge is "floating" just above the plastic.
And here is the link to the Kahler page:
Kahler International, Kahler USA, Kahler parts
It looks like Steve had a Kahler flat-mount cam opertated bridge on the guitar and replaced it with this 2710 fulcrum-type bridge. There appears to be a piece of black pickguard plastic in the shape of a flat-mount Kahler covering the cam routing; the 2710 bridge is "floating" just above the plastic.
Butch Snyder
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John, I agree with you that it is not the Kahler flat-mount version. The tremolo arm gives that away. Kahler had that funny style with the curved thing on the end.
I was seriously thinking about mounting a cam model to my Morse.
I was seriously thinking about mounting a cam model to my Morse.
